Jeffrey Shaw Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 No-one knows anything accurate about either destination. But maybe 'hell' is just a sort of cleaning of wrongs done whilst alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 In your opinion. Like I said, you see, freedom of choice: you do believe in at least that. Why would you want to believe something without caring about the evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBiz Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Why would you want to believe something without caring about the evidence? Because that's the nature of religious faiths. If there was any concrete evidence for any of it, it wouldn't be a faith it would be a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Because that's the nature of religious faiths. If there was any concrete evidence for any of it, it wouldn't be a faith it would be a fact. I know that. I'm curious about the thought process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBiz Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I know that. I'm curious about the thought process. I'm not sure there is one. Having been brought up and educated in a Catholic world, I can say that thought wasn't exactly encouraged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw47 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I know that. I'm curious about the thought process. Was also brought up a Catholic. Had serious doubts about the whole thing from an early age. Too much suspension of reason & lack of common sense required in my opinion. However, I have witnessed religion play a positive & helpful role in many peoples lives. I suppose it provides a purpose for many people, & a hope that they will be reunited with their loved ones when they die. Without it, it is difficult for many people to see a purpose behind our existence. Personally I would quite like to believe, as I think it satisfies a human need & a lot of religious people seem happier as a result. But if you can't believe because you believe it irrational, then that's simply the way it is. I am Agnostic, as being Atheist also requires belief in an unknown theory. Without proof either way the juries still out as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 In your opinion. Like I said, you see, freedom of choice: you do believe in at least that. At least? You say it as though an atheist is expected to barely believe in anything! The only difference between an atheist and a theist is that the atheist believes in one less god than the theist (unless it's a pantheist/polytheist). As the saying goes "We just go one god further" I am Agnostic, as being Atheist also requires belief in an unknown theory. Without proof either way the juries still out as far as I'm concerned. What theory is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw47 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 At least? You say it as though an atheist is expected to barely believe in anything! The only difference between an atheist and a theist is that the atheist believes in one less god than the theist (unless it's a pantheist/polytheist). As the saying goes "We just go one god further" What theory is that? The theory that there is no such thing as God without absolute proof. Whilst you can say that on the balance of probability, there is no God, if you cannot provide unquestionable proof then what you are doing is asking people to believe what you believe. Which is what religious people do isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 The theory that there is no such thing as God without absolute proof. Whilst you can say that on the balance of probability, there is no God, if you cannot provide unquestionable proof then what you are doing is asking people to believe what you believe. Which is what religious people do isn't it? I lack a belief of any gods based on the available evidence. I'm certainly not looking for absolute proof, if such a thing exists. The same as I do for any so called supernatural phenomenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 The theory that there is no such thing as God without absolute proof. Whilst you can say that on the balance of probability, there is no God, if you cannot provide unquestionable proof then what you are doing is asking people to believe what you believe. Which is what religious people do isn't it? There's a difference between asking people to believe there isn't a god without proof (which an antitheist might do) and asking people to not believe in gods without proof (which an atheist might do). The anti-theist's position might be comparable to that of religious people in terms of belief but the atheist's position isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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