Happ Hazzard Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 There was a thread elsewhere about nurses having to pay to park their car at Jessops Hospital at £7 a day. One poster an experienced sister of 15 years experience said her income was in the region of £34k pa. A successful graduate in media studies probably hopes to earn a lot more than that after 15 years for a lot easier work. The numbers don't add up though. I imagine someone with a nursing degree stands a far better chance of earning £34,000 after 15 years than someone with a media degree. Simply due to the fact that there are far more jobs in nursing than there are in the media. And due to the fact that the media is incredibly incestuous and nepotistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daven Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 The irony is we need foreign nurses because of all the extra foreigners coming into the country and using the NHS. But that doesn't excuse the fact that if we're failing as a country to produce enough quality nurses, that is entirely our fault as a county; it the fault of a poor education system, and poor policies at governmental level. Where have you got this information from ? ---------- Post added 24-11-2013 at 13:17 ---------- The irony is we need foreign nurses because of all the extra foreigners coming into the country and using the NHS. But that doesn't excuse the fact that if we're failing as a country to produce enough quality nurses, that is entirely our fault as a county; it the fault of a poor education system, and poor policies at governmental level. What is a 'quality nurse'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angos Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Where have you got this information from ? If the population increases we are likely to need more nurses and the population is increasing because of immigration. Each time we employ foreign staff the population increase, so we need even more foreign staff, and the cycle continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 The numbers don't add up though. I imagine someone with a nursing degree stands a far better chance of earning £34,000 after 15 years than someone with a media degree. That may or may not be so, but most students start a degree with the belief they'll commence a sparkling, lucrative career afterwards, even medium grade execs in media after 15 years will earn more than a nursing sister and in a lot less stressful environment. Public service offers (more) security and a defined career path but that's not so compelling to an 18 year old who thinks they're going to take on the world at 21! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Where have you got this information from ? Look at net migration figures for every year for the past 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Each time we employ foreign staff the population increase, so we need even more foreign staff, and the cycle continues. Now have a look at the age distribution in the total population to get an idea of who the heaviest users of NHS and social services are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted November 24, 2013 Author Share Posted November 24, 2013 The irony is we need foreign nurses because of all the extra foreigners coming into the country and using the NHS. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coalitioncuts-blamedfor-shortageof-20000nhs-nurses-8933661.html It's not because of foreigners coming in and needing extra nurses,it's because the coalition have cut into the flesh of the staff and they need the nurses to bring levels back to what they were. While official figures say that just 3,859 full-time nurse, midwife and health visitor posts have been lost since the Coalition came to power in May 2010, the RCN said that thousands more nursing vacancies have been created because hospitals have not been replacing staff that have retired or moved on due to reduced budgets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilldig Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 What's all this I heard on the news this morning though about 12,000 more NHS pen pushers being recruited. I had thought the government was learning from past mistakes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angos Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Now have a look at the age distribution in the total population to get an idea of who the heaviest users of NHS and social services are. I will assume you mean the elderly, and if you do, foreign immigrants also get old, so eventually they also become a burden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I will assume you mean the elderly, and if you do, foreign immigrants also get old, so eventually they also become a burden. But they aren't the 'burden' that right now is creating the demand for foreign nurses that you indicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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