The New Moor Market

[No User Name]

I'm not really interested in your personal campaign. I quite like the toilets in the new market. I told a lot of my friends who have young children so that they can use them too. There are too few toilets in town.

 

Good for you.

[cuttsie]

I'm not really interested in your personal campaign. I quite like the toilets in the new market. I told a lot of my friends who have young children so that they can use them too. There are too few toilets in town.

I am not interested in his personal campaign either .

[No User Name]

I am not interested in his personal campaign either .

 

Pot, kettle...

[BIGLIL]

I'm not really interested in your personal campaign. I quite like the toilets in the new market. I told a lot of my friends who have young children so that they can use them too. There are too few toilets in town.

 

There are NO public toilets in Sheffield , this LABOUR , Council closed them all down , now we are the same as the third world countrys like,

Pakiistan,India etc. I have been a socialist all my adult life but I will never vote for another labour council, I cannot think of another council that has perforformed as bad as as this one .

[bazjea]

There are NO public toilets in Sheffield , this LABOUR , Council closed them all down , now we are the same as the third world countrys like,

Pakiistan,India etc. I have been a socialist all my adult life but I will never vote for another labour council, I cannot think of another council that has perforformed as bad as as this one .

 

YES There are. At least 15 according to council website

[ECCOnoob]

There are NO public toilets in Sheffield , this LABOUR , Council closed them all down , now we are the same as the third world countrys like,

Pakiistan,India etc.

 

Never read anything so stupid in my life. Try opening your eyes more.

 

No public toilets?

 

What about all these then..

Angel Street

Exchange Street

The Moor

Birley Moor Road

Bolsterstone

Darnall

Deepcar

Endcliffe Park

Forge Dam

Glen Howe Park

Graves Park

Hillsborough Park

Millhouses Park

Rivelin Valley Park

Whirlow Brook Park

 

 

Oh yeah and all these freely accessible through the Council's Community Toilet Scheme....

 

B&Q, Greenland Road, S9 5HE

Bankers Draft, Market Place, S1 2GH

Benjamin Huntsman, Cambridge Street, S1 4HP

Debenhams, The Moor, S1 3LR

Frog and Parrot, Division Street, S1 4GF

Henry's Bar, Wellington Street S1 4HS

John Lewis, Barkers Pool, S1 1EP

Lifestyle Centre, Beighton, S20 1HE

Lloyds, The Sheffield Waterworks Company, Division Street, S1 4GF

Morrisons, Ecclesfield, S35 9WJ

Morrisons, Meadowhead, S8 7UE

Morrisons, Penistone Road, S6 2GY

Orchard Square, City Centre, S1 2FB

Sheffield Railway Station, Sheaf Square, S1 2BP

SOYO, Rockingham Street, S1 4EB

Swim Inn, Glossop Road, S10 2GW

The Varsity, West Street, S1 4EW

The Wick At Both Ends, West Street, S1 4EW

Sorby House, Spital Hill, S4 7LG

Walkabout, Caver Street, S1 4FS

Yates's, Cambridge Street, S1 4HP

 

[cuttsie]

Pot, kettle...

Well i have used and worked on the Sheffield Markets since the late 1940's .

So lets have your input on the debate ,

[999tigger]

ecco thanks for that never knew about the community toilet scheme. Knew about Debenhams and Orchard square.

[moke]

I genuinely can't believe this debate is still lingering.

 

The argumenthas turned completely away from some of the real core truths about the market.

 

1.) Shopping habits have changed - as demonstrated by the wallpaper poster on this thread, a large % of people want only a convenient, car centric shopping experience. Loads of legitimate reasons behind this, from modern work life, car dominance, general decline in our desire to buy fresh food daily, right down to people liking the sterile nature of pre packaged food that dominates the superstores.

 

This cut right through all walks off life, from millionaires through to those receiving benefits. Supermarkets now exist in most suburbs, so even the previous core consumer of many markets (low incomes, pensioners) are increasingly likely to shop there instead.

 

2.) Although smaller in number, a still significant number of people don't like supermarkets. They (like me) still prefer closer contact with the food, the feeling of buying locally, supporting local jobs by shopping smaller. They like a more personal shopping experience.

 

This is more of a split between those who are sticking with tradition (and more likely to have lower incomes, traditional market consumers), but increasingly, and lucrative, those who are making a conscious choice to buy in this more communitycentred way.

 

The first group was served adequately by castle market, but as a group in decline, something needed to be done to attract the second group, or face the stark reality of the markets peetering out of existence.

 

The second group want the same meat and veg as the first group, but are also mire lilly to want the higher quality items you see in continental markets. Stalls selling those kinds of goods simply wouldn't have chanced their arm in Castle market, the demographicsjust wwouldn't have made it viable.

 

If people accept that something needed to be done to arrestthe decline, then the question had to be what would be most effective. Two choices - try to change the tired, unwelcoming (to the Important emerging customers) or create a new environment that could caterfor old and new.

 

It's obvious that trying to change the culture, environment, quality and experiencedoffered by castle market would have been neigh on impossible. The costs were high, and the outcomes poor at best. A new building offers the best shot for everyone, but obviously would have to go through massive adjustment whilst old customers rediscover their habits, while new customers start to find and use it.

 

It's already happening through the stalls that have failed and those that have opened and done well.

 

The straw man is this idea that the place is supposed to be a version of a supermarket, there to attract those who actively enjoy their current habits. A market is what it is - local produce for those who want to shop in a different way. Bitching about the lack of free car park is to massively miss the point.

 

All onmy honest opinion, as a tree hugging super market hating market user. If you ddon't like it, it probably wasn't meant for you.

[Joe-b-1]

 

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You may as well go to Crystal Peaks in that case.

 

Actually I've just run those journies through my head and getting to Chesterfield from Mosborough is a far better run than trying to access Sheffield City Centre. But I'd still go to Crystal Peaks anyhow.

 

I was repyling to another poster who said Chesterfield Market was easier to get to from anywhere South of woodseats and from where I live in Mosborough (Moor) Sheffield market is much easier to get to. I've only lived here for 50 years and don't require to run any journeys through my head. Also for anyone using public transport it costs £2.80 to get from here to Sheffield and £5.80 to Chesterfield with the Chesterfield round trip taking about an hour longer. The whereabouts of Crystal Peaks was not and is not relevant to my reply since it was purely to do with Chesterfield and Sheffield markets.