The New Moor Market

[cuttsie]

This is because a large proportion of it are the stalls from castle market. They have to adapt. There are some newer stalls in though. It will take years for them to change the mix of stalls. The businesses dont just appear en masse because they have a shiny new building.

 

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There are numerous posts about how shopping has changed. You'd benefit if you read some of them.

 

You overstate the importance of the motorist as opposed to changing shopping habits.

Theres still ample scope for it to survive and flourish if it sticks to its strengths and evolves.

 

Your idea that because a few stalls have quit proves your points is laughable. there could be other reasons you know, like they werent very good businesses in the first place or they failed to identify their market properly. I expect more stalls to fail in the next few years and others to thrive.

 

Just because you choose not to shop there doesnt make it a white elephant however much you want it to fail.

No one wants it to fail its in all our interest for it to succeed but !it will fail because it is in the wrong place and the stall rent and other overheads are extortionate . only a couple of butchers and maybe a fruit and veg stall will survive and they will eventually go under if every one else has left because then no one will bother going in.

[salsafan]

From my experience of walking through the market at lunchtimes it does seem a lot quieter than it was.

 

The food eating place always looks relatively busy, but many of the stalls are very quiet.

 

I was surprised to read in The Star that Crawshaws were doing quite well in the market, because whenever I've been past it's been deadly quiet with nobody buying. One or two of the meat/fish stalls seem quite busy, but after the initial rush when the market opened many now seem quiet.

 

Interestingly the Crawshaws shop down The Moor seems to be doing quite well, as does the Simmonites shop just up from Cole Brothers.

 

I have to say I fear for the markets when the free bus is stopped, I just hope it gets a shot in the arm when the new Cinema and shops open up down The Moor, but that's likely to be about 18 months time.

 

Regards

 

Doom

 

The impression that I get is that, the Star may report "as is", but in reality, you know whether a business is doing well or not depends if they manage to stay in the market. There was a Jamaican eatery which was opened by a young guy and he folded quite soon. But he needs to figure out his demographic as well. If I recall, the Amigo Mexican took a while to get itself established and found a place where his customers will want to go. I dare say he may need to go on this journey as well. I really hope that he tries again. Crawshaws is as I realised the other day, has become a chain. Across Yorkshire. So maybe that is why they can afford to stay longer than others.

 

I was really quite giddy when Simmonites opened near Cole Brothers, because to me, I rather see some decent shops opening and push out that whole area away from being a drink and hysterical kind of area than anything. Because they are closer to Coles, and closer to the Fargate, a typical grannie can go up that way, go to Coles for their tea and biccies, come back down to M&S to grab their bargains. And yes, M&S has also chained and started to be more strategic and introduced a deli counter. Also now discounting their bakery and goods too. M&S never used to discount. Now they do. In a way, it is seen as cheap, but on another level is that they have indeed over-hyped their prices slowly over the years, and therefore has to come way back down in price in a stronger drop. When you see the price that they have dropped to, it is no different to those prices from the Market.

 

The demographic is indeed there. Why Simmonites is doing well is because they have everything pre-packed in sellable items and a typical student or a grannie can actually pick up a no frill pack and move on quickly. That is why they are loved. I've seen it all. Both selling in loose option, as well as pre-packed pickable items that is easy for the students. "I have 5 pound, I pick 2 packets". Done. This concept is followed on from those that you see in M&S as well. Pre-made components that you can save time cutting and dump into a pot, add sauce. A ready fresh meal. The convenience really does speaks volume.

[BEDROCK]

I think the Beer Central unit would fair much better in a high street store.

 

It could fit loads more products in and offer a variety of ales, wines and spirits as well.

[999tigger]

Next time time you are in then go and tell him. Ice cream stall would love his spot.

[BEDROCK]

Well, only the strongest will survive and looks like there's already casualties.

[salsafan]

It's not really the strongest that will survive is it ? It's do people remember you ? If you asked me where I can find the kind of beer shop like this, I would say in York. Cos I have seen that before. As well another kind of semi connoisseur beer place on West Street. Maybe they are not as specialist in the beer that they bottle though. Devonshire Cat is doing well. You would think that someone would have thought of this ages ago ! Their beer could do well both for the regular drinkers as well as for Christmas gifts. I always used to trawl through the Tesco's gift section for this kind of thing over Christmas. If they can get some decent boxsets which looks nice, I think it will do pretty well. As well as maybe target the student market as well for those event type places. Or to offer some "picnic" deals over the summer months, or when there are festivals going. They need to get involved and promote with Tramlines. Or to get an article in Expose or other too.

[BEDROCK]

It's not really the strongest that will survive is it ? It's do people remember you ? If you asked me where I can find the kind of beer shop like this, I would say in York. Cos I have seen that before. As well another kind of semi connoisseur beer place on West Street. Maybe they are not as specialist in the beer that they bottle though. Devonshire Cat is doing well. You would think that someone would have thought of this ages ago ! Their beer could do well both for the regular drinkers as well as for Christmas gifts. I always used to trawl through the Tesco's gift section for this kind of thing over Christmas. If they can get some decent boxsets which looks nice, I think it will do pretty well. As well as maybe target the student market as well for those event type places. Or to offer some "picnic" deals over the summer months, or when there are festivals going. They need to get involved and promote with Tramlines. Or to get an article in Expose or other too.

 

I was thinking that, they could introduce some student discount scheme or offers for bulk buys.

[salsafan]

I was thinking that, they could introduce some student discount scheme or offers for bulk buys.

Father's Day is coming up... And if they have a specialist stock, then they can advertise this to their fanbase. I am sure that there is like a group of true ale beer drinkers out there as well. Summer is also coming up. Beer and barbeques.

[Anna B]

I've been in a few times and the problem is that it's like a time warp. Cleaner than Castle was but feels just as tired whereas it should be vibrant.

 

There is a huge population of younger workers within walking distance but I don't see them in the market.

 

Beer shops great though.

 

I think you've put your finger on what's wrong, (apart from the location.)

 

People love markets if they're done right. They should be bright, colourful and full of interesting things,- vibrant, as you say. But this one is dull and drab in comparison.

[anywebsite]

The impression that I get is that, the Star may report "as is", but in reality, you know whether a business is doing well or not depends if they manage to stay in the market. There was a Jamaican eatery which was opened by a young guy and he folded quite soon. But he needs to figure out his demographic as well. If I recall, the Amigo Mexican took a while to get itself established and found a place where his customers will want to go. I dare say he may need to go on this journey as well. I really hope that he tries again. Crawshaws is as I realised the other day, has become a chain. Across Yorkshire. So maybe that is why they can afford to stay longer than others.

 

Juicy Patties hasn't folded, he's moved to the old Coopland's on Pinstone Street. If they can use the market to start & then set up a shop that's a success story in my book. Hope he does well in his new location.

 

Crawshaws is put to shame by the other butchers in the market.

 

The markets were in decline long before we got the new market. It'll take a while to turn it around, if possible & if not we wont have a market.

Edited April 3, 2014 by anywebsite