The New Moor Market

[the fonz]

Average spend is much more important that footfall, especially if the markets are trying to appeal to the more affluent. I would think Beer Central would be a prime example of this change, would a shop like that survived in the old market?

 

When i first went to the new market i was disappointed to see the amount of 'tat' still being sold. I have been to the old market, several times, and it was a tatty place that sold tat, which was well past its sell by date. I did enjoy it architecturally and the meat fish and veg stalls but the rest selling cheap batteries and off cuts of carpet are best avoided imo.

 

Id hope, that in time the dross falls off the bottom and newer stalls, selling more specialist items, such as beer central, move into the market, if that happens it will do well.

 

I also think opening later in the evenings would help footfall but find it strange that the market traders dont want to do this, its seems like they, and not the council are the ones who are not moving with the times.

[999tigger]

For those who didnt watch last nights Look North the figures are these.

 

100,000 council prediction. In the six months so fat they got it in the beginning when people were curious but it shrank to 60,000. No idea who made the prediction or on what basis, but they were over optimistic.

 

Castle Market was getting 70,000

 

New moor market now getting 60,000, but people are spending more.

 

Moor is being redeveloped over the next 2-4 years including the plot currently being demolished next to debenehams which is a bigger project that the markets.

 

They are also redeveloping the Mcdonalds building and the attached blocks. Primark, wilkinsons and the post office plus other retailers will be moving to the moor. Like them or loathe them they are likely to bring more people down to the Moor.

 

Point is developments take time to establish themselves. Would I have built the market there? probably not. Would i have organised it inside the way it is? no. Due to the cost of land and retail space its unlikely ever to be the type of cheap and cheerful market, which means many of the stalls will close. The question is can whats left hang on and establish itself if the economy is growing and more shoppers eventually come to the Moor? They have to adapt and sell what its customers want. If they cant make a viable business in that location then they should quit. I dont really see why they should be subsidised by the council tax payers. I like markets and it would be a shame to see it fail. Fingers crossed that it finds its place and prospers from me. I really dont see the point in slagging it or the city centre down repeatedly.

 

Absolutely agree Fonz 100%. its very easy to see why some stalls will struggle its because if what they sell im afraid. they have more fundamental problems than footfall. Also agree about opening hours, which are too short. At least give the stalls who want to stay open longer the option.

Edited May 29, 2014 by 999tigger

[cuttsie]

For those who didnt watch last nights Look North the figures are these.

 

100,000 council prediction. In the six months so fat they got it in the beginning when people were curious but it shrank to 60,000. No idea who made the prediction or on what basis, but they were over optimistic.

 

Castle Market was getting 70,000

 

New moor market now getting 60,000, but people are spending more.

 

Moor is being redeveloped over the next 2-4 years including the plot currently being demolished next to debenehams which is a bigger project that the markets.

 

They are also redeveloping the Mcdonalds building and the attached blocks. Primark, wilkinsons and the post office plus other retailers will be moving to the moor. Like them or loathe them they are likely to bring more people down to the Moor.

 

Point is developments take time to establish themselves. Would I have built the market there? probably not. Would i have organised it inside the way it is? no. Due to the cost of land and retail space its unlikely ever to be the type of cheap and cheerful market, which means many of the stalls will close. The question is can whats left hang on and establish itself if the economy is growing and more shoppers eventually come to the Moor? They have to adapt and sell what its customers want. If they cant make a viable business in that location then they should quit. I dont really see why they should be subsidised by the council tax payers. I like markets and it would be a shame to see it fail. Fingers crossed that it finds its place and prospers from me. I really dont see the point in slagging it or the city centre down repeatedly.

 

Absolutely agree Fonz 100%. its very easy to see why some stalls will struggle its because if what they sell im afraid. they have more fundamental problems than footfall. Also agree about opening hours, which are too short. At least give the stalls who want to stay open longer the option.

 

Where abouts are Wilkinsons and the Post Office moving to on the Moor please. Just curious .

[the fonz]

There is already a post office on union street.

[terryh]

big mistake moving the market cuttsie was right all along

[ghost rider]

I am not the least bit surprised about the market,for some reason everything seems to turn to manure in the city centre but yet seems to work for other cities.

[puisseguin]

big mistake moving the market cuttsie was right all along

 

I'm thinking the same. 43,000 fewer visitors per week than predicted, and probably half of them are just sheltering from the rain.

 

The extended rent free period is just to try to stop other traders packing their bags and leaving. If they do you can forget 57,000 visitors a week and say hello to the balliffs.

[999tigger]

big mistake moving the market cuttsie was right all along

 

So you would have just stayed in the castle market until the roof fell in? If you hadnt noticed the building was falling down and the market was on the decline.

 

 

 

 

Over the bank holiday a specialist food market was moved to the moor. The traders in the market voted 2/3 against opening to benefit from the trade. Am afraid they are going to have to adapt if they want more business by considering extended hours, things like internet ordering click and collect as well as welling stuff people want to buy.

Edited May 29, 2014 by 999tigger

[cuttsie]

big mistake moving the market cuttsie was right all along

Thank you.

I expressed my liking of the new building when it was opened ,but I still think it is in the wrong place and that in the end it will be a white elephant.

[S6_owl1986]

So you would have just stayed in the castle market until the roof fell in? If you hadnt noticed the building was falling down and the market was on the decline.

 

 

 

 

Over the bank holiday a specialist food market was moved to the moor. The traders in the market voted 2/3 against opening to benefit from the trade. Am afraid they are going to have to adapt if they want more business by considering extended hours, things like internet ordering click and collect as well as welling stuff people want to buy.

 

Surely the food market wouldve brought the chance of the footfall they crave ?? I cannot understand why any trader would vote not to open , they have to change there ways and compete with the competition instead of sitting around waiting for the buisness to come to them and complain about nobody helping them !

 

Location of the market is fine in my opinion if people think it's difficult to get to by car I'd love to know how and why castle market wasn't ?! , traditional area maybe not but I've never understood why castle market was so convinient for more people ?!?

 

Ultimately the moor market will only be as successful as the people of sheffield and the traders make it

 

If people can't be bothered to have a walk down moor or go a little out of there usual way to support local trades then they don't deserve a market