rossyrooney Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 How about a library? 10,000 + patrons daily, plus staff numbers, there can't be an insurance company in the world willing to cover the liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodown Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 How about a library?Do you live in a library? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speckled Hen Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Do you live in a library? You missed my link. But don't worry it is pretty common practice and happens to buildings around the world hence my indignation at those who choose to sneer at folks on here. http://facilities.uncc.edu/about-us/news/roof-replacement-work-scheduled-several-buildings Roof Replacement Work Scheduled for Several Buildings May 15, 2014 Beginning in late May, work will begin to replace the roofs on the following campus buildings (in alphabetical order): Barnard, the Counseling Center wing of Atkins Library, Fretwell, Garinger, King*, McMillan Greenhouse, the Steam Plant and Winningham. All buildings will remain open during this time, and work is expected to be completed by mid-August. Building liaisons have been notified of this construction, and they have been invited to a meeting to discuss project details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) How about a library? It would be possible to do. most things are if you throw enough money at them. Youd really need the engineers and architects to tell you how they might do it. The issues are. Cost. Cuttsie is always simple in his understanding that things cost money or if he has to consider the practical implications of doing something. Is there really the space to have moved the rest of the market including all the butchers and fishmongers down to the basement area? Would the builders really have sufficient access? Would the public still have kept going in the same numbers? Perhaps they could have hired cuttsie to run the market outside on the open air stalls? Edited May 31, 2014 by 999tigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodown Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 You missed my link. But don't worry it is pretty common practice and happens to buildings around the world hence my indignation at those who choose to sneer at folks on here. http://facilities.uncc.edu/about-us/news/roof-replacement-work-scheduled-several-buildingsa Is it a comparable sized building? It may be a public building but are we talking like for like? I'm not sneering at anyone. I'm trying to get an idea of scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speckled Hen Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 10,000 + patrons daily, plus staff numbers, there can't be an insurance company in the world willing to cover the liability. How do you know this? Do you work in insurance or are you just making it up to back up another post? I'm not really sure why you think insurance would be a problem. You emply contractors who have liability insurance, but as it is pretty easy to schedule work to be done in parts of a building that is not in use or to do like they do on the main roads and resurface them at night. All in a days work for a decent contractor. ---------- Post added 31-05-2014 at 16:30 ---------- Is it a comparable sized building? It may be a public building but are we talking like for like? I'm not sneering at anyone. I'm trying to get an idea of scale I know you weren't sneering at anyone. You cut in when I replied to the ones who were. Building size isn't an issue unless the roof in question is to be replaced with a one piece roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloke Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 How do you know this? Do you work in insurance or are you just making it up to back up another post? I'm not really sure why you think insurance would be a problem. You emply contractors who have liability insurance, but as it is pretty easy to schedule work to be done in parts of a building that is not in use or to do like they do on the main roads and resurface them at night. All in a days work for a decent contractor. ---------- Post added 31-05-2014 at 16:30 ---------- I know you weren't sneering at anyone. You cut in when I replied to the ones who were. Building size isn't an issue unless the roof in question is to be replaced with a one piece roof. It appears that you've completely missed the point of my post! While I agree that it may be possible to re-roof the market while traders and the public are happily going about their business unaware of any potential risks overhead, my point was that it is extremely unlikely that the council and health & safety would have allowed it to happen. (sorry - we don't appear to have a sneering smiley) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Just a reminder: In 2013, before the move, the Star was reporting footfall at Castle Market down to 45000 a week: http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/business/sheffield-market-footfall-down-by-almost-a-quarter-1-6092281 Of course that was in the context of some stalls shutting. In the years before that, footfall was falling. The idea that Castle Market was getting footfall of 70000 a week is incorrect. The new location is getting higher footfall than Castle Market was, but it's nowhere near as high as was wanted. The Moor was getting higher footfall than the Castle area. So the logic was that by moving the market, they would be in an area of higher footfall, which the market would pick up. The question is whether the demographic that used to use the Castle Market would continue to use the market in its new location (many would, but probably not all), and whether the new location would draw in new customers (probably some, but maybe not as many as expected). So if it's not drawing in new customers to boost numbers (and I don't know whether any analysis exist of that), is the answer to change the nature of the retailers? And if you do that, do you lose some existing custom? You probably do. If the market had stayed in the Castle area, it would have continued to decline, I think that's clear. But simply moving the market has not been the whole answer, that's also clear. My point is that there are no easy answers. Thank you for restoring some sanity to the thread and pointing out there are no easy answers. Castle market just like Sheaf market was failing. Many of the stalls(mostly non food) that moved will have to close because imo they always had limited business potential. The question is can the new market hang on long enough till the Moor is redeveloped with new businesses and both Wilko and Primark moving there plus can they replace the failed businesses with other stalls that the people in that area will want to buy from? Examples would be many of the stalls that sell on the continental markets they host on Fargate. They have a good core of food stalls, but the non food section or large parts of it I think let the place down. I cant say im impressed with how they have thought it out and planned the layout. They also need to rethink what they sell, opening hours, internet ordering and marketing. If they then still cant attract enough business then the question has to be asked does Sheffield need a market if the public wont shop there in sufficient numbers? this might be five years down the line. You should also be considering whether the stall holders should be subsidised with council tax money and by how much? If not and they cnat make a profit then you might be better off closing the market down and selling the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuttsie Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) How much would that cost in £? Go and look it up.Perhaps a million ,maybe two although nowt like the sixty plus million the white Elephant at Moorfoot will cost. ---------- Post added 31-05-2014 at 17:01 ---------- You really think that the council and health & safety would have allowed traders and public to use the basement area while a new roof was being installed? That is priceless... :hihi: Please explain. as they used the lower ground floor or basement [as I called it] for 50 years. So why is it priceless. ---------- Post added 31-05-2014 at 17:03 ---------- Would have brought back the victorian realism that cuttise loves. why not stick to answering posts instead of cheap digs ,perhaps you think you are on a loser . ---------- Post added 31-05-2014 at 17:05 ---------- That's pretty much what department stores do when they refub. Close one floor and use the rest. Then close another. It would be pretty easy in a building where only half was in use. **** on Speckled Hen ,**** on. I put the gentleman name for a male fowl and ended up with four stars. Edited May 31, 2014 by cuttsie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloke Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Perhaps a million ,maybe two although nowt like the sixty plus million the white Elephant at Moorfoot will cost. ---------- Post added 31-05-2014 at 17:01 ---------- Please explain. as they used the lower ground floor or basement [as I called it] for 50 years. So why is it priceless. I give in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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