The New Moor Market

[discodown]

Castle market had been left to fall into disrepair by the council. Of course it was going to cost a lot to bring it upto standard.

 

That's by the by. If it had to be moved it shouldn't have been moved to where it is now by an "I know best council" that time after time has proven that it knows nothing.

If not there than where?

 

Realistically if you (not you but the council) were going to move it somewhere where would have been better and more viable?

[999tigger]

Castle market had been left to fall into disrepair by the council. Of course it was going to cost a lot to bring it upto standard.

 

That's by the by. If it had to be moved it shouldn't have been moved to where it is now by an "I know best council" that time after time has proven that it knows nothing.

 

That doesnt really address the issue about the decline of the city centre and markets in general, though. The biggest impact on the market has been economic from recessions and poor local economy as well as markets falling out of fashion in preference to supermarkets and out of town developments. Less customs means less rent means less money to spend.

 

If they had spent £12m on repairs for castle theyd have still been left with many problems and they would have still had to finance it, so the total pro rata cost would have still been more like £45m unless cuttise has a magic way of borrowing £12m interest free.

 

I'm not sure i'd have done it the way they have, but I can see they are banking on reconsolidating retail and benefitting from the redevelopment of the Moor. By putting it there I can see it changes the nature of the market and that what sold at castle market will not sell as easily on the Moor. If you had to move it somewhere, then where would you be putting a new 5,000 to 7,000 square metres site? Thats the challenge for the town planner.

 

I think they could have looked at the area where the Odeon is now, but have no idea of practicality or costs. The things is built now, so am really rather more interested in hoping it survives and any changes they can make to improve its chances off success. There will be a strong resistance and a very finite limit as to how much the council tax payer will want to subsidise stall holders, especially if they are not market users.

 

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No trigger that was for the roof.

A new gents bog [on the loading bay] would have set them back £80,000 ish.

And then the emulsion paint to various areas maybe a further £35,000 ish plus contingencies .

 

The work would have left a usable building for the foreseeable future as long as the maintenance was kept up to a high standard .

 

So now you are saying castle market was fine and only required a gents bog and some new paint? You should have tendered for it and told them you could turn it round for £115k.

[Jonny5]

If not there than where?

 

Realistically if you (not you but the council) were going to move it somewhere where would have been better and more viable?

The block with the run down Salvation army or the old NUM building.

 

Its difficult to plan anything really because they made such a pigs ear of Sevenstone. It cannot be emphasised enough how much damage that did our city centre planning.

[BEDROCK]

Apparently the organic stall is moving to a bigger unit in the market.

 

I wonder if the empty units can be filled by letting smaller units take the extra space.

 

No point in cramming things in a tiny unit when having more space + stock is a win win.

[Andy]

Do they allow day traders at this market? By which I mean people who can turn up on the day and take an empty stall on payment of a fee. If there are empty stalls, letting people take them on a very short term basis might be sensible. It would generate a small amount of revenue, look better than having empty spaces and may even lead to people taking stalls on a more permanent basis.

[BEDROCK]

I may request to open a sex shop, tools of the trade, bulk discounts available

[999tigger]

The block with the run down Salvation army or the old NUM building.

 

Its difficult to plan anything really because they made such a pigs ear of Sevenstone. It cannot be emphasised enough how much damage that did our city centre planning.

 

Salvation army block is way too small plus its a listed building. Access is also terrible.

Old NUM site is more interesting and promising except its already been redeveloped into a casino and bars. Assuming you meant the one near city hall and not the one closer to the cathedral?

 

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Do they allow day traders at this market? By which I mean people who can turn up on the day and take an empty stall on payment of a fee. If there are empty stalls, letting people take them on a very short term basis might be sensible. It would generate a small amount of revenue, look better than having empty spaces and may even lead to people taking stalls on a more permanent basis.

 

The only day traders is for food in the pop up pantry section. Just where the bytchers and fish people start. Theres about 5 pitches which sell food, from delis to artisan bakers and cheese. It isnt always full, so imagine the footfall inst big enough for them to make a sufficient profit.

 

I do think its better to have the stalls occupied on short term lets just to have the place full.

 

The challenges are being able to attract new businesses that would complement existing ones. Do you let to anyone and would the existing traders react poorly from more people selling the same things or getting better rates?

Edited May 31, 2014 by 999tigger

[T 42]

 

The only day traders is for food in the pop up pantry section. Just where the bytchers and fish people start. Theres about 5 pitches which sell food, from delis to artisan bakers and cheese. It isnt always full, so imagine the footfall inst big enough for them to make a sufficient profit.

 

I do think its better to have the stalls occupied on short term lets just to have the place full.

 

The challenges are being able to attract new businesses that would complement existing ones. Do you let to anyone and would the existing traders react poorly from more people selling the same things or getting better rates?

 

No the challenge is to find folk prepared to pay the rate for a pitch when they can set up in Chesterfield Market as a day trader for £9.70.

[dutch]

Whole idea of a market is that the trading stalls don't have meadowhall pricetags. Otherwise you cannot call it a market.

[ECCOnoob]

Whole idea of a market is that the trading stalls don't have meadowhall pricetags. Otherwise you cannot call it a market.

 

Says who??

 

The only definition of a market is this one...

 

A market, or marketplace, is a regular gathering of people for the purchase and sale of provisions, livestock, and other goods

 

Nothing in there says it had to be cheap tat. A market can sell whatever it wants to sell. Have you seen some of the stalls when the continental market is all over fargate. Have you been to some of the artisan food markets in London/Manchester/York. Have you ever had a wander around Covent Garden or Camden Markets.

 

Never mind Meadowhall prices - some of those stall are going into the Knightsbridge prices group.

 

The whole point of a successful booming market is that they have a unique selling point or they sell something which makes people want to buy. In our case it has to be something very very different to what is already out there in every other store or supermarket. It has to offer a service and/or product which draws people in.

 

What really is the point in 2014 of a Market being filled with cheap household tat, budget clothing and low cost low quality food when such product lines are already more easily (and often cheaper) available in hundreds of discount stores and supermarkets.

 

I want to see the new Moor Market to evolve into a success by offering something different and ultimately better than a supermarket or variety store.

 

That's how its going to survive. Nuts to all this "...Markets are for the real people. Markets should be catering for those on low incomes...".

 

That's all a load of socialist claptrap. Farmfoods/Heron/Iceland/Asda/Job Lot/Wilkinsons/Primark provides for the low incomes. That aint gonna change.

 

Markets dont anymore.

 

Those traders needs to get with the times and think about their location, local populus and ADAPT accordingly. Thanks to the new student accommodations, relocation of council departments, merging of BT offices into one building, expansion of the civil service offices, new fire services HQ and further increases of student villages around London Road/Eccy Road there are thousands of potential customers living or working minutes away - many of whom many not have a car or a car easilly accessible and therefore many be more likley to be daily shopper rather than a traditional weekly shopper. Many of these will be affluent with tastes and trends to match. They are all ripe for the picking if some of the traders can shun off their oh so precious traditions, stop pointing fingers at the council and actually look ahead for once.

Edited June 1, 2014 by ECCOnoob