The New Moor Market

[Andy]

If you hadn't noticed no one is interested and the visitor numbers at the new market are 40% down and falling.

 

I thought they were attracting 60,000 visitors per week? It's below expectations but 60,000 people can hardly be described as "no one". It's twice the capacity of Bramall Lane, or around 10% of the population of Sheffield*.

 

Meadowhall gets around 25 million visitors a year according to their website. So this little market is attracting 10% of the number of visitors to a massive shopping mall with free parking, cinema, and high street name shops. I don't think that is anything to be ashamed of, even if visitor numbers are below expectations.

 

In all likelihood, it is the forecasting that was wrong - but this is an art not a science.

 

* - I realise the 60k quoted is probably not unique visitors. But it's still not no one.

[999tigger]

The projected figure was 100,000. This was incorrect, but as with all forecasting it's art not science.

 

The actual figure at the moment is 60,000, which is on par with CM (which was also losing hundreds of thousands of £s per annum and in serious decline).

 

The spend per visitor is much higher.

 

Large relocations take time to establish themselves. Years rather than six months.

 

More people will come to the Moor when the developments by Scottish widows takes place in the next three years. The very large cinema and primark complex next to Debenhams and the other complex at the head of the Moor including McDonalds and the old sports direct shop.

 

As Anna says herself she very rarely goes to Sheffield any more. So its hardly surprising how much rubbish she talks. This is the person who still thinks London road is the main route to London.

Edited June 3, 2014 by 999tigger

[cuttsie]

The projected figure was 100,000. This was incorrect, but as with all forecasting it's art not science.

 

The actual figure at the moment is 60,000, which is on par with CM (which was also losing hundreds of thousands of £s per annum and in serious decline).

 

The spend per visitor is much higher.

 

Large relocations take time to establish themselves. Years rather than six months.

 

More people will come to the Moor when the developments by Scottish widows takes place in the next three years. The very large cinema and primark complex next to Debenhams and the other complex at the head of the Moor including McDonalds and the old sports direct shop.

 

As Anna says herself she very rarely goes to Sheffield any more. So its hardly surprising how much rubbish she talks. This is the person who still thinks London road is the main route to London.

Again you attack the poster and not the post and in a different format than is some times used by you.

I.E your posts are some times ineligible with bad English and spelling while the next [as above] seems to have been written by a doctorate of the English language .

[999tigger]

Again you attack the poster and not the post and in a different format than is some times used by you.

I.E your posts are some times ineligible with bad English and spelling while the next [as above] seems to have been written by a doctorate of the English language .

 

The irony is cuttsie that perhaps you ought to learn what words mean before attempting to use them. Go and look up ineligible before amusingly having a go at my English.

 

What I find astonishing about your arguments on this thread is that you are stuck in the past, when the world and Sheffield has moved on.

 

You refuse to acknowledge that Sheffield markets have been in decline over the last thirty years because people now use out of town shopping.

 

That Castle Market was losing money. Over half a million £ pa.

 

You expect the market to be subsidised rather than stand on its own two feet.

 

Markets come in a variety of shape and sizes and they dont always have to be what you deem to be a 'proper market' that sells tat. They can sell higher quality produce and should explore these avenues to offer goods that you cnat get elsewhere which people want to buy.

 

That market stall owners also have a duty to adapt to the times, including different opening hours and internet ordering.

 

You'd be more interesting if you talked about the issues or tried to understand them rather than 'I told you so' , Makes us a "laughing stock to Leeds', 'couldnt make it up' or the market has been there for 'a thousands years' arguments.

 

 

Your solutions thus far has been:

 

1. To have the market relocate to exchange street on ouside stalls. They tried thos outside sheaf market and it ended up being a flea market and it then failed.

 

2. To have the market relocate on outside stalls to castle market. If that was an option then why didnt traders move there? It failed to take off.

 

3. You could have sorted castle market out with some new mens bogs and some emulsion paint for £115,000. This is despite the suveyors reporting the cost of repair to be c £12m.

 

Sheffield markets may fail, but rather than panic i'd prefer to look at what happens in the next four years and take into account the beneficial new developments on the Moor. I am hoping they will adapt, survive and flourish because they are good for the city and I have friends there whose livelihood depends on it. You seem to want it to fail so you supposedly believe you can be proven right and as you so jubiliantly declared are then able to say "I told you so".

 

The market is built now, so why cant you move on with your arguments, stop pretending CM was some great success and deal with the here and now?

[Anna Glypta]

I thought they were attracting 60,000 visitors per week? It's below expectations but 60,000 people can hardly be described as "no one". It's twice the capacity of Bramall Lane, or around 10% of the population of Sheffield*.

 

 

Indeed it is, but there are a couple of points regarding this number. It isn't the amount of paying customers. It is the number of people who pass through the entrance, so a woman with 2 kids counts as 3 and numbers include the Big Issue seller who pops in to use the toilet or even those who drop by for a nosie. Most of the folk who go to Bramall Lane football ground pay for privillige.

 

Then of course there is the business plan that the council required each applicant for a pitch to submit. The council had told them to expect 100,000 visitors per week not 60,000. That's quite a shortfall. The equivalent of Meadowhall loosing 10 million of the visitors that you mention. It does rather make a mockery of the insistence on a business plan.

Edited June 3, 2014 by Anna Glypta

[damo]

Again you attack the poster and not the post and in a different format than is some times used by you.

I.E your posts are some times ineligible with bad English and spelling while the next [as above] seems to have been written by a doctorate of the English language .

 

I think that's a bit rich considering you do exactly the same!

 

I'm only shocked that post didn't mention the fact the market was not longer in it's historical trading area anymore as nearly every other post by you does as it's the only thing you have left to cling to.

 

Accept the market has moved and stop having a go at people who's opinions differs to yours either on here or via pms.

 

I love the new market as do many others and once the remaining units are let it will only get better.

[No User Name]

Just reading the last couple of pages.

 

No longer to London Road it's not.

 

London Road named after the fact that it was the main road between the city and the capital city of our nation. It seems that the council thought it better to block such a road. Sheffield Council didn't want a direct link to the capital.

 

I think that's why HS2 is going to bypass Sheffield and the station is to be at Meadowhall. They didn't want the council building a block of flats in the middle of the line.

 

 

Are people on drugs?

[Anna Glypta]

Just reading the last couple of pages.

 

 

 

 

Are people on drugs?

 

Just the council's planning department.

[Jonny5]

Back in the days of the PRSY, 'blocking' London is just the sort of petty move that Blunkett et al embraced. It wouldn't surprise me if sticking a finger at the capital was a factor in its placement there.

 

This is before they all decided that they rather liked champagne socialism and making money in London.

 

Either way that building is disgusting. Although no doubt the council employees on the forum can 'spin' a positive out of it.

[No User Name]

I'm off to Norfolk later, I presume if I go down Norfolk St in town that will get me there?