The New Moor Market

[999tigger]

Tried that Chinese wholesale place they said trade only go away ?

 

I use it every week and see many people do. I find it astonishing that anyone would be turned away, its for the public as well.

 

This place.

http://www.khoriental.co.uk/

[*Wallace*]

Was in the first week it opened never been back since will try it again thanks for the info.

[foxy lady]

Right but given the supermarket over the road doesn't have a carpark and has stayed in business there's clearly a set of people who do their food shopping without a car. Hint not everyone in Sheffield has to go to the market for it to be successful, just a subset of the population. If you don't visit we won't hold it against you, much.

 

With a successful supermarket just over the road isn't that a bit of a stupid place to site a new market and add £18 million to the city's debts.

[verona]

Tried that Chinese wholesale place they said trade only go away ?

 

I've been using it for years and it's for both trade and public. Never had a problem there.

[Andy]

I agree with all you say , the stall olders have to look at what they are offering , if they are not selling what people want to buy then they have to think again and diversify if possible, but , in the "food court" , the unusual stalls are the ones that are folding , it seems that Sheffielders ( at least the marketeers ) are set in their ways . The RUSSIAN , food stall is going (end of July) the JAMIACAN , "Juicy Patties" has already gone , Zinger , an Italian stall has gone . Perhaps too many retailers are trying to sell too many of the same products , the Moor is awash with "Discount shops" , and the clientelle they are attracting don`t , are can`t afford to , spend money.

 

As usual this council has just moved one problem area to another and nothing changes , the vast majority of the people who come into the market come in to use the toilets because in the 21ST CENTURY Sheffield has NO public facilities

 

In other northern cities ,I don`t want to name, they attract all the big designer stores

we get T.J. HUGHES , POUNDLAND , ICELAND ETC. ,

I`m not having a go at these stores , but this council seems to have a problem about giving big name stores an easy ride , lets keep out the TOFF`S and hang on to the TAT

 

I find your post confusing. On the one hand you seem to be criticising the council for trying to encourage more specialist stalls into the Market, rather than stalls selling a load of old tat. On the other hand you seem to be complaining that we don't have the upmarket stores you see in other city centres.

 

The way to attract upmarket stores is to have affluent shoppers willing to spend money. A market selling broken dog biscuits and cheap dishcloths is not going to attract affluent shoppers. In fact, given the rise in cheap supermarkets like Iceland, Aldi and stores like B&M, Wilkinsons etc, you could argue that the traditional market shoppers now have a lot more choice of where to buy their cheap tat. On the other hand, specialist food stores offer something more unique which may attract slightly more affluent shoppers into the city centre. I know these stalls alone won't attract higher spenders, but maybe the combination of a good, specialist market, the cinema/restaurant complex and a couple of department stores like Debenhams and Coles might just make Sheffield an attractive proposition for a day out.

 

I thought "Juicy Patties" were moving into a shop. They launched their business in the market and have clearly done well so they are moving into bigger premises. I don't think they should be included on your list of failures.

[anywebsite]

I find your post confusing. On the one hand you seem to be criticising the council for trying to encourage more specialist stalls into the Market, rather than stalls selling a load of old tat. On the other hand you seem to be complaining that we don't have the upmarket stores you see in other city centres.

 

The way to attract upmarket stores is to have affluent shoppers willing to spend money. A market selling broken dog biscuits and cheap dishcloths is not going to attract affluent shoppers. In fact, given the rise in cheap supermarkets like Iceland, Aldi and stores like B&M, Wilkinsons etc, you could argue that the traditional market shoppers now have a lot more choice of where to buy their cheap tat. On the other hand, specialist food stores offer something more unique which may attract slightly more affluent shoppers into the city centre. I know these stalls alone won't attract higher spenders, but maybe the combination of a good, specialist market, the cinema/restaurant complex and a couple of department stores like Debenhams and Coles might just make Sheffield an attractive proposition for a day out.

 

I thought "Juicy Patties" were moving into a shop. They launched their business in the market and have clearly done well so they are moving into bigger premises. I don't think they should be included on your list of failures.

 

Nothing stops broken dog biscuits from being sold in the same building as quality food. Broken biscuits might not attract affluent shoppers, but I don't think many are that snobbish to let it put them off.

 

I thought Juicy Patties were moving to a shop too, but it doesn't seem to be there.

 

The failures all had problems with their stalls & it's got to be mainly their own fault they failed before they even had any rent to pay. A few failures is normal, especially with new, inexperienced stallholders, what's worrying is there have been few newcomers to replace them & the market opened with empty stalls.

 

Large parts of the rest of The Moor are demolished or derelict, if/when the cinema gets built & the other empty or half empty blocks are sorted out things should improve, but it still seems to be years away.

Edited June 9, 2014 by anywebsite

[999tigger]

Nope juicy patties decided it couldnt make it in the market so moved during its rent free period. I think he had problems with location, but also hed failed to properly consider market clientele at the time. I thought he was moving up to where cooplands was?

 

There have been some new shops including the coffee seller, new cake seller and expansion of the organic shop. Im mexpecting more than a few more to cease trading and its in the non food offering I think that youd have to question whether they have the right product. Many stalls have just drifted in from the CM.

 

I think you and andy would probably agree. Andy is simply saying considering its location then a stall must be selling soemthing unique and that customers want. Beer stall and organic veg for instance. they cna charge a premium.

 

You can do it with broken biscuits, but its a much tougher ask considering the competition.

 

Market stopped being a destination outlet years ago, so they are relying on the moor reviving as well and the further shops to bring more people down there. The internal design and layout I think is very poor. Some of the stalls that have gone out of business have done so because of where they were. the clear advantage is with those in the entrance. the architects really havent understood the flow and movement of people in a market.

[Andy]

Nothing stops broken dog biscuits from being sold in the same building as quality food. Broken biscuits might not attract affluent shoppers, but I don't think many are that snobbish to let it put them off.

I agree, there's room for everything. But I think it's unfair to criticise the council for trying to bring the market up market. I can see why they would think a market with the specialist stalls would be a good way of attracting people into the city. I am reminded of how popular the Continental Markets on Fargate are, because they sell things that are a bit unusual. For those comparing the market to a supermarket, it is probably these specialist stalls that will attract shoppers, as they sell things you can't buy in a supermarket.

 

I went to my local market on Saturday and was chatting to the chap who runs the real ale stall. He's been so successful on the market that he's now opening a shop, and is running a home delivery business. This is an example of how a market can compete - his stall is right outside Tesco but Tesco don't sell the same specialist products as he does.

 

Large parts of the rest of The Moor are demolished or derelict, if/when the cinema gets built & the other empty or half empty blocks are sorted out things should improve, but it still seems to be years away.

 

This article says the cinema is opening in 2016. I think the Moor will be a different place by then. I wouldn't be surprised to see shops like M&S seriously considering relocating as they'll be out on a limb at their current location.

 

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I think you and andy would probably agree. Andy is simply saying considering its location then a stall must be selling soemthing unique and that customers want. Beer stall and organic veg for instance. they cna charge a premium.

 

You can do it with broken biscuits, but its a much tougher ask considering the competition.

 

 

Yep, that's what I'm saying. Sell things people want and are prepared to pay a good price for. The days of selling cheap tat are gone (and were gone before the move) because for Cheap Tat you have Aldi, Wilkinsons, Home Bargains etc.

 

But, if you're aiming for a slightly more affluent shopper, you really need to sort the opening hours out. The kind of shopper who uses craft beer stalls and buys organic meat is probably at work during the day and busy on Saturday. There needs to be at least one (ideally two) late night openings during the week, and they ought to consider opening on Sundays. This will become more important when the cinema opens because I can see people going to the cinema then picking something up from the market to have for tea. The could try to coordinate any late night opening with the shops in that area too. In the run up to Christmas I think they'd do well opening til 8 for people avoiding the Meadowhall crowds.

[T 42]

I agree, there's room for everything. But I think it's unfair to criticise the council for trying to bring the market up market. I can see why they would think a market with the specialist stalls would be a good way of attracting people into the city. I am reminded of how popular the Continental Markets on Fargate are, because they sell things that are a bit unusual. For those comparing the market to a supermarket, it is probably these specialist stalls that will attract shoppers, as they sell things you can't buy in a supermarket.

 

 

Actually I would say exactly the opposite. The market is like a supermarket in that it is enclosed space regarless of what the stall holders are trying to peddle. There is nothing that they can sell in an indoor market that they can't sell in a supermarket.

 

The continental market is popular because it isn't trying to be anything other than a proper outdoor market. It has open stalls where they COOK exotic food. You can wander round the stalls scoffing a curry, cheese or a waffle that you bought on your travels. Try doing that in a supermarket or in the Moor Market.

 

You can do it at Bakewell Market. You can do it at Chesterfield Market, but you can't do it at the Moor Market.

 

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Yep, that's what I'm saying. Sell things people want and are prepared to pay a good price for.

 

And what is it that folk buy from the Continental market. Mainly ready to eat food such as hotdogs, paella, burgers etc. I'm somehow unable to see that guy boiling up his huge paella boiler in the new market.

 

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But, if you're aiming for a slightly more affluent shopper, you really need to sort the opening hours out. The kind of shopper who uses craft beer stalls and buys organic meat is probably at work during the day and busy on Saturday.

 

But if I want organic meat I would rather buy it from a farm shop at say Troway or Holmesfield. There is hardly a shortage of those sort of places where the affluent can drive in their cars and stick their steaks in a cool box in the back. The affluent don't usually travel by bus and besides organic meat doesn't improve after a warm afternoon in a carrier bag whilst you wait at a bus stop.

Edited June 9, 2014 by T 42

[eckerslike]

There is something here that folks seem to be missing. The continental market only runs once or twice a year. So folk who want to buy all turn up on the same day. It is pretty easy to be busy if you only open one day per year. Father Christmas works his buns off one day a year.