The New Moor Market

[cuttsie]

How is parking difficult at the Canal Basin? There is a multi storey car park right next to it and another at the bottom of the Victoria Station Approach, a very short distance away.

 

The Council have plans to make that area more integrated into the city centre as part of the redevelopment plans for the area.

Well the plans are [or was] to start the demolition of the [now missed] Castle Market this month ,so it will not be long now!!!!! Will It!

[Anna Glypta]

How is parking difficult at the Canal Basin? There is a multi storey car park right next to it and another at the bottom of the Victoria Station Approach, a very short distance away.

 

 

So how much would it cost to park there to go into a market? Have you ever wondered why the canal basin is such a success with almost several people visiting it every week. It is a pity the council can't find planners with a bit of intelligence instead of ones who come up with half arsed white elephants that they hobble with lack of consideration for motorists.

 

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The Council have plans to make that area more integrated into the city centre as part of the redevelopment plans for the area.

 

It's doomed then.

[smiggs]

Actually the Shambles weren't built as souvenier shops and tea room. They were originally the butchers area of York. The buildings have been adapted for other uses.

 

So if you want a traditional market you just have to find a suitable area where a market can be set up. As has been pointed out several times the cobbled canal basin could have served as a rather quaint market area if so much effort hadn't been made to make it inaccessible and made parking so difficult.

 

The canal basin is even difficult to get to on foot! It's isolated from the city centre and transport links, it needs a great deal of work to make it even remotely viable as any sort of destination. I reckon they'd need to reroute or simply close a lot the roads round there to make it feel like you're not at a motorway service station and clear pleasant walk up from the train and bus station.

 

Not really comparable to the shambles either, if the canal basin had the 14th century architecture of the shambles people would be going there anyway, issues of parking wouldn't be a problem in attracting people.

[Blackbeard]

Sheffield had its own shambles, they were closed years ago, not surprised here are some of the rules from 1787.

 

 

"Nor shall any Butcher or other person whet or sharpen his her or their knives upon the Stone Pillars or other stones part of the New Market number the Penalty of One Shilling to be paid for each time of offending against this Rule.

 

Sixthly that no Butcher shall at any preference whatsoever either by himself Apprentice or Servant encourage or suffer any Dog or Dogs to frequent said Market or the said Slaugher-houses..

 

Seventhly that for Decency sake and cleanliness of the said Market no person having any Holding in the said Market shall at anytime wee wee against the walls of the said Market."

 

With thanks to the Sheffield History website http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic/2274-shambles/

[dosxuk]

That living in the past is what keeps folk flocking to the Shambles in York and the town centre in Chester. If they knocked them down and replaced them with modern glass and neon shops I doubt the visitors would be flocking to take a look.

 

And yet, in York is it the Shambles which takes all the money and has attracted shoppers and the shops to the city, or is it the glass and neon parliament street just beside it?

 

The shambles stocks nothing of interest to the local and regional population. It's existence is entirely dependent on (mostly foreign) tourists - people who don't visit Sheffield.

 

There is no way you can compare a modern market for local people with the tourist attraction that is the shambles.

 

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Living in the past? Is that why every Market worth calling the name any where in the World trades on or near the original Market Area.

It's not living in the past it is living in the real World.

 

Most cities used to have several markets. Norwich market, which IIRC is the largest outdoor market in the UK, is in about it's third site, having been moved by the then town planners because it expanded too much. The original city centre, later cattle market is now a shopping mall.

 

Strangley, most people don't care where a market is, provided they can get to it. Being told a market was on this site for 1000 years is not an attraction. Most people would assume if told that of Castle market, that the toilets were original. And that's not a positive point.

[Anna Glypta]

The canal basin is even difficult to get to on foot! It's isolated from the city centre and transport links, it needs a great deal of work to make it even remotely viable as any sort of destination. I reckon they'd need to reroute or simply close a lot the roads round there to make it feel like you're not at a motorway service station and clear pleasant walk up from the train and bus station.

 

Not really comparable to the shambles either, if the canal basin had the 14th century architecture of the shambles people would be going there anyway, issues of parking wouldn't be a problem in attracting people.

 

It is only isolated because the transport system was planned that way. The canal basin has been there for 2 centuries. It shouldn't difficult to get to by most forms of transport as all go past the place. Rail, tram, canal, road. But the thing missing was the planning.

 

You don't need 14th century architecture to make a traditional market. Bakewell is a wonderful market place with 150-200 year old buildings around it. Pretty much like the canal basin in fact. Chesterfield market is pretty much the same.

 

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And yet, in York is it the Shambles which takes all the money and has attracted shoppers and the shops to the city, or is it the glass and neon parliament street just beside it?

 

The shambles stocks nothing of interest to the local and regional population. It's existence is entirely dependent on (mostly foreign) tourists - people who don't visit Sheffield.

 

There is no way you can compare a modern market for local people with the tourist attraction that is the shambles

 

Actually Sheffield has been around for a long time. It had a castle and the Manor. There was a rather grand medievil manor house at Greenhill. Sheffield had its share of historic buildings. The reason Sheffield hasn't got the historic buildings now is that they were knocked down.

Edited June 21, 2014 by Anna Glypta

[smiggs]

It is only isolated because the transport system was planned that way. The canal basin has been there for 2 centuries. It shouldn't difficult to get to by most forms of transport as all go past the place. Rail, tram, canal, road. But the thing missing was the planning.

 

You don't need 14th century architecture to make a traditional market. Bakewell is a wonderful market place with 150-200 year old buildings around it. Pretty much like the canal basin in fact. Chesterfield market is pretty much the same.

 

So what you're saying is that to have a successful market we need 19th century buildings and cobbles? Is that all? The fact that the area is completely isolated from the all the other retail outlets in the city, that would make no difference at all?

[Blackbeard]

Some of it was called slum clearance, some was due to the English Civil War, quite a bit was due to some guy called Hitler and many of the buildings were pulled down because no one could afford the upkeep or could find a use for them. Only last week there was a thread on the forum about the cost of a "useless" building in Sheffield, the Cathedral. We get what we can afford.

[999tigger]

The reason sheffield castle was knocked down wasnt the fault of the council its because the powers that they backed the wrong side during the civil war.

 

Btw Blackbeard the Cathedral is fine. It was by the poster marx who dislikes all religion and just wanted to sack everyone,let it fall into ruin, take away the money they had raised by their own efforts and spend it on projects he gave the ok to.

Edited June 21, 2014 by 999tigger

[cuttsie]

It is only isolated because the transport system was planned that way. The canal basin has been there for 2 centuries. It shouldn't difficult to get to by most forms of transport as all go past the place. Rail, tram, canal, road. But the thing missing was the planning.

 

You don't need 14th century architecture to make a traditional market. Bakewell is a wonderful market place with 150-200 year old buildings around it. Pretty much like the canal basin in fact. Chesterfield market is pretty much the same.

 

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Actually Sheffield has been around for a long time. It had a castle and the Manor. There was a rather grand medievil manor house at Greenhill. Sheffield had its share of historic buildings. The reason Sheffield hasn't got the historic buildings now is that they were knocked down.

As was the corn exchange although damaged by fire it was repairable.