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[tzijlstra]

This Government, at any rate, does not encourage immigration - it's hands are tied, however, by EU legislation re free movement. What we're not good at is removing people that shouldn't be here. It could be argued that the last government encouraged immigration as new immigrants, seeing where their bread is buttered, are more likely to vote labour. Voting patterns of immigrants does change over time though as they become more established.

 

You do know that almost all EU immigrants are not allowed to vote here?

 

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Low wages means more profit for employers, so more tax.

 

 

 

Yep, so it makes sense to have people desperate to take low paid employment, best way to achieve that is have plenty of unemployed people, best way to achieve that is encourage large scale immigration.

 

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Its doesn't drive the economy to the benefit of everyone though, it encourages debt and only benefits people with multiple properties. Its leaves millions of young people struggling to pay rent or buy an house.

 

Sorry angos, I can never work out whether you are a socialist or a nationalist, now I admit the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but using low pay as a way to bash immigration is just dumb. Yes, immigrants come here for low paid jobs (and very well paid jobs it has to be added) but most of the economic immigrants only come because the jobs are available. I don't know in which way it can be explained so that it will finally get through to you, but it is really simple: Unfilled jobs means shortage of suitable work force, means immigration.

 

So maybe a mathematical formula:

 

vacancies = suitable workforce + immigrants

[angos]

You do know that almost all EU immigrants are not allowed to vote here?

 

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Sorry angos, I can never work out whether you are a socialist or a nationalist, now I admit the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but using low pay as a way to bash immigration is just dumb. Yes, immigrants come here for low paid jobs (and very well paid jobs it has to be added) but most of the economic immigrants only come because the jobs are available. I don't know in which way it can be explained so that it will finally get through to you, but it is really simple: Unfilled jobs means shortage of suitable work force, means immigration.

 

So maybe a mathematical formula:

 

vacancies = suitable workforce + immigrants

 

I'm neither, I'm slap bang in the middle, for every good reason I find to vote for a party, there's always a good reason to stop me voting for said party, which makes me a non voter.

 

I don't bash immigrants, I bash government policy, and the only reason lazy Brits won't take some jobs that immigrant will take, is because they get too much free money on benefits, low paid immigrants have an incentive to work whilst some Brits don't, simples. Its very easy to understand.

[Pritt Stick]

Ta for the info TZ - I'd never considered that.

[Harleyman]

Low wages means more profit for employers, so more tax.

 

 

 

Yep, so it makes sense to have people desperate to take low paid employment, best way to achieve that is have plenty of unemployed people, best way to achieve that is encourage large scale immigration.

 

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Its doesn't drive the economy to the benefit of everyone though, it encourages debt and only benefits people with multiple properties. Its leaves millions of young people struggling to pay rent or buy an house.

 

 

 

So should a floor polisher be in the same income bracket as a University PhD?

Is there something wrong in a person who starts a business expecting to make a profit and in the UK as here the more profit you make the more tax you pay .... that from my own experience. You can write off depreciation of equipment and all other deductables allowed but in the end the tax still rises with the profit. You get no breaks other than what the tax laws allow

 

I think one of the problems in the UK these days is that it's more profitable to remain permanently unemployed than go out to work. A new breed of parasites now part of the social scene. Dont forget where the support comes from.... those who do go out to work.

 

As for immigrants..... I would hope that starting from the bottom rung would give them some motivation to better themselves by mastering the language and taking the time after work to attend trade and training schools to learn new skills. It's not asking them to fly to the moon and back.... many,many before them have done that.

 

If as you say the young are struggling to pay rent are there no government subsidies to help them? How about housing programs where accommodation is built for low or moderate income families but the housng iteslf not run by the government but by private investors who receive government subsidies which allow them to keep the rents affordable yet also yield a return on their investment at the same time?

 

For first time home buyers or others here who dont have a lot of money to put down on a home and who have a moderate income you can go to any real estate agent and get a list of houses for sale listed with the Federal Housing Authority where if you qualify you can get a low interest morgage loan usually payable over 30 years

 

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I'm neither, I'm slap bang in the middle, for every good reason I find to vote for a party, there's always a good reason to stop me voting for said party, which makes me a non voter.I don't bash immigrants, I bash government policy, and the only reason lazy Brits won't take some jobs that immigrant will take, is because they get too much free money on benefits, low paid immigrants have an incentive to work whilst some Brits don't, simples. Its very easy to understand.

 

Then you as a person who refuses to vote deserve more than anyone else the government you end up with. No grounds for complaining either

[angos]

So should a floor polisher be in the same income bracket as a University PhD?

Did I give you the impression they should?

 

 

 

Is there something wrong in a person who starts a business expecting to make a profit and in the UK as here the more profit you make the more tax you pay .... that from my own experience. You can write off depreciation of equipment and all other deductables allowed but in the end the tax still rises with the profit. You get no breaks other than what the tax laws allow

Did I give you the impression that companies shouldn't make a profit?

 

 

 

 

 

I think one of the problems in the UK these days is that it's more profitable to remain permanently unemployed than go out to work. A new breed of parasites now part of the social scene. Dont forget where the support comes from.... those who do go out to work.

Yes I already told you that.

 

Then you as a person who refuses to vote deserve more than anyone else the government you end up with. No grounds for complaining either

 

The voting system we have makes my vote pointless, If I want Labour to win, then there's no point voting because they will win the seat anyway.

If I want one of the other parties to win, voting is still pointless because Labour will win the seat anyway. It kind of makes the point of voting rather pointless when you know the outcome before the vote.

[retep]

You do know that almost all EU immigrants are not allowed to vote here?

 

 

This from The Electoral Comission,

 

"Citizens of the European Union (who are not Commonwealth citizens or Citizens of the Republic of Ireland) can vote in European and local elections in the UK, elections to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh and Northern Ireland Assemblies (if they live in those areas) and some referendums (based on the rules for the particular referendum) but are not able to vote in UK Parliamentary general elections." - See more at:

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/who_can_register_to_vote.aspx#sthash.HMzghMyG.dpuf

[tzijlstra]

This from The Electoral Comission,

 

"Citizens of the European Union (who are not Commonwealth citizens or Citizens of the Republic of Ireland) can vote in European and local elections in the UK, elections to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh and Northern Ireland Assemblies (if they live in those areas) and some referendums (based on the rules for the particular referendum) but are not able to vote in UK Parliamentary general elections." - See more at:

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/who_can_register_to_vote.aspx#sthash.HMzghMyG.dpuf

Exactly, as it is the UK paliament setting the ground rules we are discussing here, eU immigrants have no say.

[retep]

Exactly, as it is the UK paliament setting the ground rules we are discussing here, eU immigrants have no say.

 

In which case the preceding part may be relevant,

 

"Below is a full list of Commonwealth and European Union countries. If you are a citizen of one of these countries, and resident in the UK, you are eligible to register to vote in UK elections. To qualify, Commonwealth citizens must be resident in the UK and either have leave to enter or remain in the UK or not require such leave. The definition of a 'Commonwealth citizen' includes citizens of British Crown Dependencies and British Overseas Territories." - See more at: http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/who_can_register_to_vote.aspx#sthash.HMzghMyG.6MmrMJXw.dpuf

[Harleyman]

Did I give you the impression they should?

 

 

 

Did I give you the impression that companies shouldn't make a profit?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I already told you that.

 

 

 

The voting system we have makes my vote pointless, If I want Labour to win, then there's no point voting because they will win the seat anyway.

If I want one of the other parties to win, voting is still pointless because Labour will win the seat anyway. It kind of makes the point of voting rather pointless when you know the outcome before the vote.

 

So what alternative system? North Korea's ?

[angos]

So what alternative system? North Korea's ?

 

PR or the party with the most votes, either would give more people a reason to vote.

More opportunities to vote for important policies.

Each party lists its important policies and during the election the electorate gets to vote for the party and individual policies that they want that party to implement.

Giving the electorate the opportunity to vote on key policies over the internet would make people feel more included in the running of the country.