tzijlstra Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 why is it we pay farmers 50 BILION a year in subsidies yet moan at a 12 billion a year benifit bill? Posted from Sheffieldforum.co.uk App for Android Could you please post facts rather than some made up numbers, or unfounded numbers? 50 billion pounds (56 billion euro) a year is the total EU farming subsidy (2012), not the UK farming subsidy. The benefit bill, depending on your definition of benefit for 2013 in the UK is 220 billion pounds. Is it your custom to compare apples and pears? ---------- Post added 21-12-2013 at 10:14 ---------- Yep, and all you can do about it is vote UKIP. Ah, look who is immediately on top of this pack of nonsense to promote UKIP, I suppose you didn't bother checking the facts either. ---------- Post added 21-12-2013 at 10:15 ---------- Oh and just to be clear: I agree the EU farming subsidy system needs drastic reform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Hans Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I suppose if we don't subsidise farmers then we don't eat. If we don't pipe free money into lazy people's bank accounts, what happens then? I'm all for that actually...acc/ to you we save 12 billion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 About 40% of the total EU budget goes to farming subsidies. Imagine if 40% of our budget went on farming subsidies. It's a ludicrous amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angos Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Ah, look who is immediately on top of this pack of nonsense to promote UKIP, I suppose you didn't bother checking the facts either. What else could anyone do to stop farming subsidies being paid to UK farmers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 who pays the money to the EU!, we do, so we are all paying these ritch land owners Posted from Sheffieldforum.co.uk App for Android Not all farmers own the land they farm on....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dosxuk Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 What else could anyone do to stop farming subsidies being paid to UK farmers. Stopping farming subsidies to UK farmers will destroy the UK farming industry. It will be unable to compete with other local farmers - hence the farmer in the OP saying he could happily give up his subsidy, only provided everyone else did too. But what happens if we stop the subsidies to everyone? Food will get more expensive as the farmers increase their prices to compensate. So we won't save any money - quite the opposite actually - instead of a proportion of our food costs being taken in the form of taxes, we'll be paying it directly, as well as the taxes. Besides, UKIP don't want to scrap the farming subsidies and have pledged to maintain them in the event of leaving Europe. (I would link to their Farming policy, but unfortunately they seem to have removed it from the UKIP website - instead you'll have to Google it to find the quotes - there's plenty of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 What else could anyone do to stop farming subsidies being paid to UK farmers. Vote LibDem, who are for a massive reform of the CAP without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angos Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Stopping farming subsidies to UK farmers will destroy the UK farming industry. It will be unable to compete with other local farmers - hence the farmer in the OP saying he could happily give up his subsidy, only provided everyone else did too. But what happens if we stop the subsidies to everyone? Food will get more expensive as the farmers increase their prices to compensate. So we won't save any money - quite the opposite actually - instead of a proportion of our food costs being taken in the form of taxes, we'll be paying it directly, as well as the taxes. Besides, UKIP don't want to scrap the farming subsidies and have pledged to maintain them in the event of leaving Europe. (I would link to their Farming policy, but unfortunately they seem to have removed it from the UKIP website - instead you'll have to Google it to find the quotes - there's plenty of them). Your link pointed to wind farm subsidies, but a change of search time and I found this. Why Britain’s Farmers should back UKIP Which does confirm that UKIP support subsidies to farmers, but not the CAP bureaucracy that comes from the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dosxuk Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Your link pointed to wind farm subsidies Wrong. The first and sixth results are about wind farms admittedly, but the other eight are about farming subsidies (and the CAP). Your link appears as the ninth result in my search. The point still stands, UKIP are not planning to stop/scrap farming subsidies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angos Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Wrong. The first and sixth results are about wind farms admittedly, but the other eight are about farming subsidies (and the CAP). Your link appears as the ninth result in my search. The point still stands, UKIP are not planning to stop/scrap farming subsidies. It wasn't when I opened the link, they were all about wind farm subsidies, but that's irrelevant because I already agreed with you regarding UKIP and farming subsidies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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