melthebell Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The real truth is that 85 percent people who end up on the street do so because of drugs, alcoholism or criminal activities which have gotten them prison time. We live in societies that allow us freedom of choice. For those of us who chose to stay on the straight and narrow there is no obligation to feel guilt or have to pay even more money to governments to support them in comfort and ensure a longevity far beyond that which the bodies they so badly abused are capable of. a real real truth is most rough sleepers these days are either ex servicemen shafted by the government and young und running away from abuse and neglect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 If I had to sleep rough I think I might turn to drink and drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 That might have been true once, but I don't think it's a fair assumption these days. I believe one of the biggest causes of homelessness is marriage breakup, and debt. Homelessness and rough sleeping are not synonymous. ---------- Post added 09-01-2014 at 11:22 ---------- Shelter's chief executive Campbell Robb was paid £120,000 last year while the number of staff paid over £60,000 increased from five to eight. I bet Mr Robb has no problem sleeping at night. And he and his chuggers expect ME to dig deep? Do you know how much he personally gives to charity? Or do you expect a CEO to work for a pittance? All that said, the idea of the NHS building houses is a stupid one. Help is available for rough sleepers, many don't trust the authorities though and refuse to seek it, or can't keep to the conditions required (ie staying clean of drugs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 All that said, the idea of the NHS building houses is a stupid one. Help is available for rough sleepers, many don't trust the authorities though and refuse to seek it, or can't keep to the conditions required (ie staying clean of drugs). How so? The NICE puts the value of extending a UK human life by one year at something like £30000. They will pay £30000 to prolong an 84 year olds life by one year. Building houses for rough sleepers is excellent value for money. Instead of prolonging death in pensioners at vast cost to to the public purse we could be prolonging life in young and middle aged people for very little cost. Or do you not assign any value to the life of a rough sleeper? The numbers speak for themselves. The NHS would be far better investing in building housing and giving it away to the those without homes than pumping pensioners full of drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It's hardly a surprise that a charity for the homeless wildly exaggerates the problem to get more publicity and donations. The true scale of the supposed homelessness problem is so small as to be insignificant. As recently as 4 years ago, a survey by the then Labour government showed there were only 440 homeless people in the whole of Britain. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2105393/Of-bogus-emergencies-sham-crises-excited-homelessness-exaggerated.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Bourne Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It's hardly a surprise that a charity for the homeless wildly exaggerates the problem to get more publicity and donations. The true scale of the supposed homelessness problem is so small as to be insignificant. As recently as 4 years ago, a survey by the then Labour government showed there were only 440 homeless people in the whole of Britain. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2105393/Of-bogus-emergencies-sham-crises-excited-homelessness-exaggerated.html And it's hardly surprising that the government of the day would massage statistics and understate the number of homeless people to make their policies look successful. Except to you, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 How so? The NICE puts the value of extending a UK human life by one year at something like £30000. They will pay £30000 to prolong an 84 year olds life by one year. Building houses for rough sleepers is excellent value for money. No it isn't. Because as I already said they will not seek help and will actively refuse it because they do not trust the authorities. Houses that don't help them are not a efficient use of NHS resources. Instead of prolonging death in pensioners at vast cost to to the public purse we could be prolonging life in young and middle aged people for very little cost. No, we couldn't. Or do you not assign any value to the life of a rough sleeper? Nothing I said suggested that. The numbers speak for themselves. The NHS would be far better investing in building housing and giving it away to the those without homes than pumping pensioners full of drugs. No they don't, you are ignoring the key issue of why these people are sleeping rough and proposing an intervention that will fail and thus be a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 No it isn't. Because as I already said they will not seek help and will actively refuse it because they do not trust the authorities. Houses that don't help them are not a efficient use of NHS resources. That's blatantly not true, most of the homeless have gone to the council for help and they have been refused on the basis that they are not 'vulnerable', that is to say they are male and 18 or over. They are then forced to rely on charity, such as the Archer project, Ben's centre, the Salvation Army in Sheffield. No they don't, you are ignoring the key issue of why these people are sleeping rough and proposing an intervention that will fail and thus be a waste of money. Nonsense. Most people who are sleeping rough are sleeping rough because they do not have a house to sleep in, it is as simple as that. They cannot accept help from the council, because the council does not provide it to them as they do not have a legal duty to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 As recently as 4 years ago, a survey by the then Labour government showed there were only 440 homeless people in the whole of Britain. Only 440 homeless people and WMD. That last Labour government was a model of probity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Clowning Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Cold up North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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