tinfoilhat Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I thought that hard shoulders are only used as a fourth lane if they are part of the official "managed motorways" that they have been building for years? Therefore if someone breaks down in that lane there'd be a big red cross above it until after the breakdown? Thus returning the lane to a hard shoulder/emergency acces? That's how I understand it - plus it's also something that happens regularly in road works, we've no hard shoulder from 29a to ???? It's not lead to a whole host of accidents has it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvy Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 That's how I understand it - plus it's also something that happens regularly in road works, we've no hard shoulder from 29a to ???? It's not lead to a whole host of accidents has it? But in a Roadworks situation the Speed limits are reduced so everyone should be more aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Ash..... I'm sure we all agree the preferred option would be to build a fourth carriageway...but that costs money. I'm worried about the safety option. It's not a case of "coasting" to a safe refuge incase of breakdown .....it's access for the emergency services if anyone should be in life threatening circumstances. We seem to have millions of spare cash for foreign aid, yet can't find the cash to ensure our motorways are safe! New carriageway costs millions. Per mile. The annual foreign aid budget would probably build just a few tens of miles of new carriageway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phawley Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 OK so you have 4 lanes of traffic and no hard shoulder, what happens when there is a multi vehicle accident and all 4 lanes come to a standstill, how do the emergency services get to the accident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 OK so you have 4 lanes of traffic and no hard shoulder, what happens when there is a multi vehicle accident and all 4 lanes come to a standstill, how do the emergency services get to the accident? A-roads don't have a hard shoulder, but they still manage to get to the scene of an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 OK so you have 4 lanes of traffic and no hard shoulder, what happens when there is a multi vehicle accident and all 4 lanes come to a standstill, how do the emergency services get to the accident? The go the "wrong" way up the motorway from a junction further down from the accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Ash..... I'm sure we all agree the preferred option would be to build a fourth carriageway...but that costs money. I'm worried about the safety option. It's not a case of "coasting" to a safe refuge incase of breakdown .....it's access for the emergency services if anyone should be in life threatening circumstances. We seem to have millions of spare cash for foreign aid, yet can't find the cash to ensure our motorways are safe! New carriageway costs millions. Per mile. The annual foreign aid budget would probably build just a few tens of miles of new carriageway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Have there been any instances where there's been an accident or injury or death because of "managed motorways" scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Because they're nuts ! When you think of the vehicles most likely to use the lane, HGV's, it's quite scary. I can foresee a tragedy or two. It's been working fine on the M42 for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I didn't die on the M62 last week if that helps?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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