annbaker Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 To note these sorts of things are currently being centralised - and yes it should have happened a long time ago no-one could argue against that- so Govt depts are not buying goods and services from different suppliers for everyday items. Check out the Government Procurement Service! I think it's fair to say rapid progress being made on that front. I don't buy that sort of stuff tho. I buy IT services. The private sector think we're easy prey so come in with hugely inflated prices because quite frankly they think we're daft. We're not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I don't usually bother talking to you these days, ang. But you aren't getting away with that lie. Your biased study suggests about £6bn per annum, not £50bn. If you follow the links within the article, you will find some interesting stats. They seem to suggest that public sector cleaners should be paid less, and managers should be paid more. I'm off now. The floor is yours to spout more provocative, misleading nonsense. Its isn't a lie, but I agree the figure isn't in that article. £53 billion - Additional cost of funding pay and pensions for public sector workers over and above the private sector average, based on analysis of figures from the Office for National Statistics and the Pension Policy Institute £25 billion - Amount wasted through inefficient public sector procurementand poor use of outsourcing, based on an authoritative report from the Institute of Directors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annbaker Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 And spending less of your money is still saving it cos if we weren't there these greedy folks would just get what they asked for. And we don't pay over the odds - far from it! ---------- Post added 27-01-2014 at 22:09 ---------- £53 billion - Additional cost of funding pay and pensions for public sector workers over and above the private sector average, based on analysis of figures from the Office for National Statistics and the Pension Policy Institute Sorry you're not paying for my pension - I am! It's taken out of my wages every month! Always has been ---------- Post added 27-01-2014 at 22:11 ---------- And to be very clear what I'll get would not be enough to live on. I'd get more on JSA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 And spending less of your money is still saving it cos if we weren't there these greedy folks would just get what they asked for. And we don't pay over the odds - far from it! ---------- Post added 27-01-2014 at 22:09 ---------- £53 billion - Additional cost of funding pay and pensions for public sector workers over and above the private sector average, based on analysis of figures from the Office for National Statistics and the Pension Policy Institute Sorry you're not paying for my pension - I am! It's taken out of my wages every month! Always has been ---------- Post added 27-01-2014 at 22:11 ---------- And to be very clear what I'll get would not be enough to live on. I'd get more on JSA! Private sector tax payers pay all public sector wages and pensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annbaker Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Private sector tax payers pay all public sector wages and pensions. So why am I having pension conrtibutions docked from my pay every month? ---------- Post added 27-01-2014 at 22:20 ---------- Am certainly not imagining it and my 60p no way pays the extra - and it goes up again in April . I don't know where you;re getting this idea from but we pay our own way same as everyone else! ---------- Post added 27-01-2014 at 22:22 ---------- So i don't pay tax or NI? Am imagining that too because private sector pays all this for me ? You have to be joking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 So why am I having pension conrtibutions docked from my pay every month? To give the impression that you are paying money into a pension pot, but in realty it is just an IOU to be funded by future privater sector tax payers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 But, I said "Lawyer", not "Solicitor". I thought that you, of all people, would have spotted that minor detail:wink:That (non -)point is lost on me, sorry. Humour me? I'm not arguing against high quality training, or specialisation. I'm just suggesting that the legal profession might wish to take a step out of the 19th century and abandon some restrictive practices.You heard of Tesco's Law, right? Some of the later posts about public procurement processes have raised a smile, I must admit. I've lost track of how many civil servants I've run into, who don't have the slightest clue about contract law and yet will happily try and pretend otherwise (until they've well & truly snookered themselves beyond any decency ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annbaker Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I am paying money into a pension pot - it comes off my wages every month and always has done. There's no free handouts let's be very clear on that ---------- Post added 27-01-2014 at 22:25 ---------- That (non -)point is lost on me, sorry. Humour me? You heard of Tesco's Law, right? Some of the later posts about public procurement processes have raised a smile, I must admit. I've lost track of how many civil servants I've run into, who don't have the slightest clue about contract law and yet will happily try and pretend otherwise (until they've well & truly snookered themselves beyond any decency ). Well Loob this one does as do my colleagues! One of the reasons we're not allowed to do our jobs without a degree in procurement! For which we get nowt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 So i don't pay tax or NI? Am imagining that too because private sector pays all this for me ? You have to be joking! All public sector money comes from tax's paid by the private sector, the private sector pay tax so that you can be employed, any the tax you pay had to be paid to you from private sector contributions, the public sector isn't self funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annbaker Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 And your average civil servant won't unless it's an area they work in - they don't have to because that's what we're there for. But then I don't know about what they do in detail because that's not what I do either. Horses for courses ---------- Post added 27-01-2014 at 22:28 ---------- Ivanana with respect that's spherical objects! I know it's not self funding cos I pay towards it same as anyone else who pays taxes does but my pension I pay for! ---------- Post added 27-01-2014 at 22:31 ---------- I'll be thinking of you tomorrow Ivanava - Just over a £1m saved on latest venture and totally unappreciated. Never mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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