salsafan Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Interesting concept, Net Neutrality. I thought that China was bad, as they censored what their citizens could see, but it seems that the US is also going down this route but for different reasons, eh ? To be very frank and honest, I have yet to decide on this kind of topic. But do I seriously think that we need filters in this day and age in the wonderful world of globalisation, yes we do. We really really do need this kind of thing, as the social perception and that level of true reality reflection has changed an awful lot and created an enormous amount of paranoia. Which is actually not good for societal developmental growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Interesting concept, Net Neutrality. I thought that China was bad, as they censored what their citizens could see, but it seems that the US is also going down this route but for different reasons, eh ? To be very frank and honest, I have yet to decide on this kind of topic. But do I seriously think that we need filters in this day and age in the wonderful world of globalisation, yes we do. We really really do need this kind of thing, as the social perception and that level of true reality reflection has changed an awful lot and created an enormous amount of paranoia. Which is actually not good for societal developmental growth. Net neutrality isn't about censorship - it's about stopping large companies from preventing others from competing with their businesses. The classic example would be an ISP that has its own video streaming[1] service restricting bandwidth to another company that offers a competing video streaming service to make their service only work at lower quality. [1] Or has a partnership with an existing streaming service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsafan Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Net neutrality isn't about censorship - it's about stopping large companies from preventing others from competing with their businesses. The classic example would be an ISP that has its own video streaming[1] service restricting bandwidth to another company that offers a competing video streaming service to make their service only work at lower quality. [1] Or has a partnership with an existing streaming service. To me it is similar action to see it in its simplicity. Which is internet shaping. The reasons and rationale are different. For the US it is for commercial reason. For China, it is for government control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagel Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I remember when this forum was invaded by China's army of internet watchers over a thread about Tibet. It was just weird. They then staged a silent protest on Fargate where a large group of Chinese students stood silently in a grid just staring out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dosxuk Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's called Net Neutrality and is a huge issue, little reported. Companies want to be able to pay for priority over the internet, so that their data is prioritised over non-payers data. It goes against the principle of the internet being open for all - net neutrality. http://www.savetheinternet.com/net-neutrality On Jan. 14, 2014, the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C., struck down the Federal Communications Commission’s Open Internet Order. In other words, Net Neutrality is dead (for now). However, the actual reason for the "striking down" was that the FCC was acting outside it's legal powers with the rules it was attempting to apply. The courts agreed with the principles that the FCC was trying to implement, but had no real option but to tell them to stop doing what they weren't legally allowed to do. What needs to happen is for people to lobby Governments to provide the legal framework to allow the likes of the FCC to do these things legally, not campaign that they're taking away powers which should never have existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 To me it is similar action to see it in its simplicity. Which is internet shaping. The reasons and rationale are different. For the US it is for commercial reason. For China, it is for government control. There's a danger in conflating the two. If companies who want to restrict competition can portray net neutrality advocates as people who want no censorship at all, i.e. implying they want to allow unrestricted access to child porn, politicians who might agree with not restricting competition won't touch it with a barge poll if there is any risk they may be portrayed as supporting access to child porn. For that reason I think the maintaining competition and the censorship arguments should be kept separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsafan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 There's a danger in conflating the two. If companies who want to restrict competition can portray net neutrality advocates as people who want no censorship at all, i.e. implying they want to allow unrestricted access to child porn, politicians who might agree with not restricting competition won't touch it with a barge poll if there is any risk they may be portrayed as supporting access to child porn. For that reason I think the maintaining competition and the censorship arguments should be kept separate. Please do respect my opinion for what it is. I am still trying to understand the topic. I am not here to argue, thanks for your clarification never the less. Please don't tell me what to think and what to do. I'd appreciate that. Thank you so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Please do respect my opinion for what it is. I am still trying to understand the topic. I am not here to argue, thanks for your clarification never the less. Please don't tell me what to think and what to do. I'd appreciate that. Thank you so much. It wasn't intended as a criticism of your viewpoint. I was just pointing out something which influences my view on the subject you might not have though about. None of us will learn if nobody ever does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsafan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It wasn't intended as a criticism of your viewpoint. I was just pointing out something which influences my view on the subject you might not have though about. None of us will learn if nobody ever does that. People read on the subjects in their own time and they learn for themselves.. If you have something to say and share, then share it. I do not need to be treated like a dog by a stranger and told what to think. This is NOT sharing in my honest opinion. I hardly know you to warrant your criticism. OP asked "what do you think". I gave my thoughts. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lectrolove Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 "Treated like a dog"?? Where do you get that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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