Gove : Bring Back 'Old Fashioned' Punishments

[SpikeMac]

That seams a little unfair on the other kids, in my days at school they would have been removed from the class and made to stand outside.

 

Why is it unfair on the others?

 

They still get to do their work. And they get more teacher time.

[ivanava]

Why is it unfair on the others?

 

They still get to do their work. And they get more teacher time.

 

I don't know about you but I would have found it very distracting having to endure a gaggle of chattering kids sat at the back of the class, whilst I was trying to study.

 

The school should have a duty to provide a suitable environment for learning, and a group of naughty kids sat at the back of the class, talking and giggling would make the environment unsuitable for learning.

 

 

 

Those who are easily distracted from the task in hand may have "too much brain".

 

So says Ryota Kanai and his colleagues at University College London, who found larger than average volumes of grey matter in certain brain regions in those whose attention is readily diverted.

 

To investigate distractibility, the team compared the brains of easy and difficult-to-distract individuals.

 

They assessed each person's distractibility by quizzing them about how often they fail to notice road signs, or go into a supermarket and become sidetracked to the point that they forget what they came in to buy. The most distractible individuals received the highest score.

 

The team then imaged the volunteers' brains using a structural MRI scanner. The most obvious difference between those who had the highest questionnaire scores – the most easily distracted – and those with low scores was the volume of grey matter in a region of the brain known as the left superior parietal lobe (SPL). Specifically, the easily distracted tended to have more grey matter here.

[alchresearch]

Then you say that Michael Gove is wrong but he nonetheless has the best interests of everyone, including teachers, at heart.

 

Lets face it, teachers moan about every education secretary. My ex and fellow colleagues used to moan about Ruth Kelly, Blunkett, and Estelle Morris.

 

Incidentally, Gove has one of the longest terms, the others were reshuffled.

[aliceBB]

Lets face it, teachers moan about every education secretary. My ex and fellow colleagues used to moan about Ruth Kelly, Blunkett, and Estelle Morris.

Yes. probably because none of them understood very much about the issues facing schools in the late 20th/early 21st century.

 

Incidentally, Gove has one of the longest terms, the others were reshuffled.

I am not sure that proves anything except that he is one of Cameron's fanboys. It hasn't made him any better at the job.

[poppet2]

I don't know about you but I would have found it very distracting having to endure a gaggle of chattering kids sat at the back of the class, whilst I was trying to study.

 

The school should have a duty to provide a suitable environment for learning, and a group of naughty kids sat at the back of the class, talking and giggling would make the environment unsuitable for learning.

 

There was a room were all the naughty children were sent when they continuously misbehaved or were sent out the lessons. Many enjoyed that because they arranged to meet all their other friends there. But It meant finding a specialist psycholgist teacher to sit and supervise such classes. These classes were treated as play groups, where children could do what they liked, listen to the radio, play with tape recorders etc. They were treated as though something was wrong with them, when all they really needed was a bit of discipline and attention.

[alchresearch]

Yes. probably because none of them understood very much about the issues facing schools in the late 20th/early 21st century.

 

Really, what about Estelle Morris?

 

Morris was a PE and Humanities teacher at the inner-city Sidney Stringer School on Cox Street in Coventry from 1974–92, becoming Head of Sixth Form Studies, and was a member of Warwick District Council from 1979 to 1991.

 

She became a minister in the Department for Education and Employment in 1997 and was promoted to Secretary of State for Education and Skills in 2001. She was the first (former) comprehensive school teacher to have the position. She suddenly resigned her post in October 2002, explaining that she did not feel up to the job

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_Morris

 

If a teacher can't do the job, what hope does anyone else have?

[aliceBB]

Apologies, yes, I had forgotten she had actually been in a classroom for more than 5 minutes in the previous 25 years!

 

I'll let her off

 

But the Education portfolio does seem to have become, for the Tories, the new 'Northern Ireland' - stick some gobby wombat in there who doesn't have a clue but who might be too destructive if let loose on T & I, or something 'important'. Very shortsighted. Along with Health, it's arguably the most important Cabinet job after Chancellor.

 

They should let me do it!

[gjay822]

The school should have a test if it is useful or not to have this punishments.

[aliceBB]

The school should have a test if it is useful or not to have this punishments.

 

That would be entirely unethical.

 

Besides, before it was banned, schools had 'tested' corporal punishment for centuries with no evidence that it had anything other than a very short term effect. Talk to anyone who went to school in the 50s or 60s or 70s who was caned or strapped for smoking, skiving, or any other offence and they will tell you it made no difference to their behaviour. They may have devised better strategies for not being caught, but they carried on smoking, skiving, etc. All it did was make the venegeful teacher feel better, and that is nothing to do with deterrence.

[Anna B]

The constant interference and changes by successive governments has done much to undermine teachers. It has reduced confidence in, and respect for teachers. Parents and pupils subconsciously think, 'The teachers must have been doing it wrong if it needs all this putting right...'

 

All this has transferred to the classroom.