L00b Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 The ones who gives you a strategy is the ones who is worth investing in. Not the ones who just fix 1 item just cos you asked even if it does not solve things long term.This comment goes straight to heart of the thread, i.e. why people by-and-large feel that they are being ripped off, even when they demonstrably are not: most demand the former (hand-holding, service level, follow-up, etc.) at the price of the later (1-fix fly-by-night)...and, I'm afraid, you still can't have your cake and eating it in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsafan Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I don't understand what you're trying to say? What's Germany got to do with it? How many vehicle recalls have Honda, Toyota et all done in recent years?? Not that I'm saying they're completely crap now, but people hold them as the bastion of reliability and not all of their cars are. They were not the ones manufactured in their own home countries. Ha ! If you ever noticed too, the ones which they keep in house for usage in their own countries are actually much more reliable and actually also fit for purpose. We think that the same machine can be made and used abroad when the climate is different or the local raw materials are the same when it is not, then this is whereby you get a lost of fit for purpose products. Yet, sales still has to plough on. Even if workmanship has dropped. ---------- Post added 11-02-2014 at 15:31 ---------- This comment goes straight to heart of the thread, i.e. why people by-and-large feel that they are being ripped off, even when they demonstrably are not: most demand the former (hand-holding, service level, follow-up, etc.) at the price of the later (1-fix fly-by-night)...and, I'm afraid, you still can't have your cake and eating it in this day and age. This is not a feeling but it is a reality. The average salary of a person is not that great and the pricing of products is not that high quality either. How can a person come to live to survive and not work to live? You tell me. That makes no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bypassblade Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Salsa I take on completely your view that they have to make a living, but as an example last October me & wife went to York by train for long weekend £39 return. I have booked up recently to go back same journey £73 that is lagalised robbery, I hope you're well. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 It is never because people "want". It is because they have no choice. Then it becomes a state whereby people "need to", than want. Businesses have to run, and for businesses to survive, then they need to find more and more ways to make money. It's like, in my father's generation, he was quite industrious, and went along the flow of slow automation in the household. Making life easier, and better and so forth. Yet, in my generation, going through the (what socialists formally call) it as the "informational age", I have to make sure that I am up to date in my knowledge to even do my job. I don't try to do much manual things any more, but I have to stay online to make sure my automated things go through. I dare say that if I have children, then my children have to also learn how to run a business possibly and to be a part of this kind of global supply-chain which is quite evident that most governments are now trying to push for. My father was in a blue collar job. I was in a white collar job. I often do wonder if my children have to be business owners. To be honest, it is quite scary how fast things change, even in my years of being in the IT industry. One thing I also realised for the UK is that we do not champion good and solid design or products. We let lower entry product be created along with higher quality products, such that it creates a different kind of market. I do not know if anybody notices this at all. If the lesser quality product is taken out of the market and be left with a few of the better ones, then at least, I'd imagine the wages of people will go back up. (I hope.) You can run successful businesses without having to make record profits ever year just to satisfy greedy shareholders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Salsa I take on completely your view that they have to make a living, but as an example last October me & wife went to York by train for long weekend £39 return. I have booked up recently to go back same journey £73 that is lagalised robbery, I hope you're well. Pete National Rail list price as from £23 return or £18.6 for two singles. You have been ripped off. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsafan Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Salsa I take on completely your view that they have to make a living, but as an example last October me & wife went to York by train for long weekend £39 return. I have booked up recently to go back same journey £73 that is lagalised robbery, I hope you're well. Pete Hello Pete, I am doing quite well, thank you for asking. Based on what you wrote above. This is definitely one of those scenarios whereby technology fails you. The ticket that you want to travel with is "Anytime" for a day return of cost 20.40. I am going to go with the bf to York next week. I played around with the online website of Nationalrail.com. This is meant to be a centralised pricing system for all tickets for all train journeys. The confusing part of this whole industry is that regional train operators can set their own prices, and they also set their own marketing deals and ticket types too. Because of this difference, I think they have set a standard set of ticket types, which is applied nationally. This is whereby the freemarket also created a situation whereby prices will vary depending on geography. I say that techology failed is because they may use a different factor or requirement to build their system, and such that, when you click on a ticket, it is so fundamentally out of the price of your average customer. Therefore a lot of train journeys are actually making a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 This is not a feeling but it is a reality. The average salary of a person is not that great and the pricing of products is not that high quality either. How can a person come to live to survive and not work to live? You tell me. That makes no sense whatsoever. Can you please re-phrase and run that one past me again? Me no understand the point or the question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsafan Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 You can run successful businesses without having to make record profits ever year just to satisfy greedy shareholders I absolutely agree. I am only in my mid-30s. Can you see how many multi-national corporations there are now ? In fact, was it not the CEO of IMF who said that it is an actual risk to the world's economy if there are too many of these MNC existing in the world. They need breaking up, or that there needs to be less large companies who are starting to hold countries at ransome, than there should be small to medium sized companies to exist in order for the market to survive and less of these global stock market crashes that has been happening quite frequently and quite periodically now. I am only in my 30s, and I have already read about 4-6 market crashes. Asian crisis. 1997 IT bubble in 2000 Sept 11 - 2001 Lehman brothers 2008 ---------- Post added 11-02-2014 at 17:00 ---------- Can you please re-phrase and run that one past me again? Me no understand the point or the question... This comment goes straight to heart of the thread, i.e. why people by-and-large feel that they are being ripped off, even when they demonstrably are not: most demand the former (hand-holding, service level, follow-up, etc.) at the price of the later (1-fix fly-by-night)...and, I'm afraid, you still can't have your cake and eating it in this day and age. You are basically saying that the person who made this post has no justification to feeling to that particular way in the matter at all. But I am saying that they have absolutely all the justification to feel that way and I gave you the reasons why. You "cannot have your cake and eat it in this modern day ?" I am saying that in this modern day, you do have a choice, and if you make that choice as a consumer, where and when you could, then this small action does affect the big businesses and things will change. When people are being squeezed like an orange, obviously they are going to fight back a little bit. This is just human nature. The ones who do not fight back has issues in my honest opinion, cos it means that you do not also check your own financial status and check the bottomline. Money does not grow on trees as they say, but how we use the money, and which items we buy and how long it lasts determine if one is just merely surviving or if they are living life comfortably. Most people like to live a comfortable life if they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianitra Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 I think just as we are paying more and more taxes, so are companies :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Yes you certainly do have to have your wits about in this day and age. I was impressed with a villa abroad advertised on-line the other day. The initial price (shown on my preferred dates) came in at £1,200 for 7 days. As I clicked my way through to the payment section the price had shot up to £1,700!!! I thought you can "tickle my titties" and changed my mind. So like the op stated..."Why can't businesses be upfront and honest?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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