s5gh Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Im the op and im a he not she lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw47 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 You've already admitted you lack a belief in god(s) Do me a favour, do one of your famous searches for "Agnostic Atheist" because you can't seem to grasp it on here. Answer one simple question. Is it possible for someone, when asked what their religious belief is, to answer 'agnostic' without any further explanation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Pretty much all the atheists you are debating with at the moment are also agnostic I think, none of us claim to know that there is no god, we just do not believe that there is one. I am happy to make that claim because God is not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I am happy to make that claim because God is not possible. good for you smithy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 good for you smithy. You keep repeating the same nonsense point that no one is claiming that God doesn't exist when in fact many atheists do claim that God doesn't exist, and many claim to know this for a fact. I would say that the majority of the people that claim to be atheist actually believe that God doesn't exist, it obviously doesn't change the fact that if you simply lack belief then you are still an atheist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Pretty much all the atheists you are debating with at the moment are also agnostic I think, none of us claim to know that there is no god, we just do not believe that there is one. I don't think that any of us fit the definition of agnostic. You can't have knowledge of something that doesn't exist, but we aren't claiming that we can't decide, we've decided that we don't believe god exists. (That should be gods really, unless it's only the Xtian god that we've ever considered). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 One first has to decide whether they believe in creation or evolution. If creation is the preferred option then they believe there is a God, in whatever form. The existence of the universe is the proof. If evolution is the preferred option then there is no God. Proof of the creation of the universe is not accepted. If one is uncertain of which option to accept they are undecided. Therefore we have believers, non believers and undecided which can be termed theists, atheists and agnostics. Maybe a simple theory but practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 One first has to decide whether they believe in creation or evolution. If creation is the preferred option then they believe there is a God, in whatever form. The existence of the universe is the proof. If evolution is the preferred option then there is no God. Proof of the creation of the universe is not accepted. If one is uncertain of which option to accept they are undecided. Therefore we have believers, non believers and undecided which can be termed theists, atheists and agnostics. Maybe a simple theory but practical. That's great, apart from evolution is the factual account of the process of life on Earth. Belief does not change facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 That's great, apart from evolution is the factual account of the process of life on Earth. Belief does not change facts. Both are theories. There is no proof what started evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw47 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 One first has to decide whether they believe in creation or evolution. If creation is the preferred option then they believe there is a God, in whatever form. The existence of the universe is the proof. If evolution is the preferred option then there is no God. Proof of the creation of the universe is not accepted. If one is uncertain of which option to accept they are undecided. Therefore we have believers, non believers and undecided which can be termed theists, atheists and agnostics. Maybe a simple theory but practical. Why does an acceptance of evolution have any bearing on the existence or none existence of God? Are you aware that the Catholic Church which is the original christian church, and which still has more believers than any other christian denomination, accepts evolution as a fact? They refer to it as 'theistic evolution'. In other words, if that was the way God decided to go about it then who's going to stop him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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