EU stabs Scotland in the back

[shilling]

 

No state has said it would veto Scottish accession. Not even the Spanish. It's the Westminster elite and certain EU officials that are peddling that story.

 

So there is no evidence that Scotland would be accepted into the EU then. There are rather a lot of countries that hold a veto on that one. Even the UK.

[Manlinose]

if the scots are being given the right to choose whether or not to be a part of the UK, shouldn't they also be given the right to choose whether or not they want to be a part of the EU?

 

just because alex salmond obviously wants scotland to be part of the EU doesn't mean the rest of scotland does

[tinfoilhat]

So there is no evidence that Scotland would be accepted into the EU then. There are rather a lot of countries that hold a veto on that one. Even the UK.

 

I'm pretty sure the UK wouldn't veto it, quite the opposite.

[shilling]

The only evidence we have is new currencies tank very quickly and take years to stabilise. No country comparable to Scotland has gone independent in recent years so our only point of reference is pretty unreliable. All we can say is there is uncertainty in a new currency and that is exactly what the markets do not like. Therefore people presume, with some amount of creditability that a new Scottish currency would be unstable.

 

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Have they been asked?

 

Salmond comes across as a total bull merchant. He says they could keep the pound. Perhaps they could, but as the Bank of ENGLAND would control the currency and interest rates for the benefit of the rest of the UK and not Scotland, they would be rather foolish to do so.

[I1L2T3]

The only evidence we have is new currencies tank very quickly and take years to stabilise. No country comparable to Scotland has gone independent in recent years so our only point of reference is pretty unreliable. All we can say is there is uncertainty in a new currency and that is exactly what the markets do not like. Therefore people presume, with some amount of creditability that a new Scottish currency would be unstable.

 

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Have they been asked?

 

I think a new Scottish currency would stabilise pretty quickly. They have enough to back it.

 

Yes the Spanish have been specifically asked. And they said that it was not their concern.

 

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So there is no evidence that Scotland would be accepted into the EU then. There are rather a lot of countries that hold a veto on that one. Even the UK.

 

Why would they veto it?

[WeX]

I think a new Scottish currency would stabilise pretty quickly. They have enough to back it.

 

Yes the Spanish have been specifically asked. And they said that it was not their concern.

 

I'm afraid your opinion counts for nothing. Can you provide any reason why you feel a Scottish currency would be so stable?

 

Spain may say its not their concern but that's not the same as being directly asked if they would oppose a Scottish application to become a member of the EU.

 

Mariano Rajoy the Spanish PM has warned against regions of Europe embarking on "solo adventures in an uncertain future".

 

Scottish independence: Spain blocks Alex Salmond's hopes for EU transition

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/27/scottish-independence-spain-alex-salmond-eu

[mjw47]

Thing that puzzles me is this. If Scotland have to apply to join the EU because their legal status has changed, doesn't the same principle apply to England, Wales and Northern Ireland?

 

Surely our legal status has also altered as a result of this change?

 

We joined as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, with our entry credentials being assessed as a single entity.

That would no longer be the case if Scotland votes yes, so how come the remaining substantially altered entity can remain in the EU and Scotland can't?

[shilling]

Why would they veto it?

 

Pretty much the same reason as Spain would. It would make it difficult for other parts of the UK or Spain to leave the unions. I can't think of a single reason why we wouldn't. Perhaps you can help us out.

[JFKvsNixon]

I'm afraid your opinion counts for nothing. Can you provide any reason why you feel a Scottish currency would be so stable?

 

Spain may say its not their concern but that's not the same as being directly asked if they would oppose a Scottish application to become a member of the EU.

 

Mariano Rajoy the Spanish PM has warned against regions of Europe embarking on "solo adventures in an uncertain future".

 

Scottish independence: Spain blocks Alex Salmond's hopes for EU transition

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/27/scottish-independence-spain-alex-salmond-eu

 

It's sounds like Spain would be scared of the example that Scotland may set for Catalonia and the Basque region.

[shilling]

Thing that puzzles me is this. If Scotland have to apply to join the EU because their legal status has changed, doesn't the same principle apply to England, Wales and Northern Ireland?

 

Surely our legal status has also altered as a result of this change?

 

We joined as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, with our entry credentials being assessed as a single entity.

That would no longer be the case if Scotland votes yes, so how come the remaining substantially altered entity can remain in the EU and Scotland can't?

 

The UK would continue to be the UK. It is Scotland that is looking at going it alone and leaving the union. But as the UK is promised a referendum on membership it probably doesn't matter.