Mr Clowning Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 How would you stop convicted murderers and rapist from murdering and raping more innocent people. No system is infallible, I am sure that a great deal of people do not go on to Murder again after being convicted and incarcerated for it once, but some will go on and do it again. What your proposing is that we sacrifice all those people that are wrongly convicted and those where the system works for the few where it does not. If you can't come out with hard figures to say that its more beneficial to change the law then its because your wrong and your reasoning is wholly emotive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Your the one that's coming out with stuff about murderers killing two and all that, so its for you to back up what your saying and not for me to prove otherwise. People with far more knowledge of it all than yourself have introduced the law we have so if your saying it should be different then prove why its wrong instead of wanting folk to go on your gut feeling. It isn't a gut feeling, murderers and rapists are released from prison and some go on to kill and rape again, its a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Clowning Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 It isn't a gut feeling, murderers and rapists are released from prison and some go on to kill and rape again, its a fact. And a lot more don't, fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 It's not possible to know the future so your argument has failed. You did fail to answer my question though, which I guess really does suggest that your answer would be no. Of cause you can know the future. Here is a future prediction, one murderer will be released from prison and he will kill an innocent person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Of cause you can know the future. Here is a future prediction, one murderer will be released from prison and he will kill an innocent person. Is is the end of rational debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Clowning Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Of cause you can know the future. Here is a future prediction, one murderer will be released from prison and he will kill an innocent person. Your right. Here is another future prediction, a man or woman will be killed by the state even though they have been wrongly convicted if we changed it to what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Yes, because the law has to be fair and not vindictive. The probability of it happening is slimmer than the probability of you killing innocent people or people that may not go on to commit further crimes. So you think it is more likely that the courts will convict in innocent man of murder, than a convicted man be released from prison and kill again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 How would you stop convicted murderers and rapist from murdering and raping more innocent people. Whole life sentences, where deemed appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 What facts? When we asked you for figures you answered plenty! It looks more like you're relying upon your own assumptions than facts. What facts have you presented to support your stance? ---------- Post added 13-03-2014 at 22:55 ---------- No system is infallible, I am sure that a great deal of people do not go on to Murder again after being convicted and incarcerated for it once, but some will go on and do it again. What your proposing is that we sacrifice all those people that are wrongly convicted and those where the system works for the few where it does not. If you can't come out with hard figures to say that its more beneficial to change the law then its because your wrong and your reasoning is wholly emotive. How many people are wrongly convicted of murder each year? ---------- Post added 13-03-2014 at 22:55 ---------- And a lot more don't, fact. That doesn't really help the innocent people that are murdered by the ones that do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 What facts have you presented to support your stance? You want facts to back up my stance of asking you for numbers so we can judge your proposal? Umm, I think you need to rethink your request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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