Manlinose Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 My opinion is different, I would rather be dead than locked up for life, so in my opinion a life of confinement is inhumane. I would give convicted people the choice of prison or death, unless there is no depute at all in the conviction, like Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale. In there case there is no possibility that they were wrongly convicted, so an execution carried out straight after the trial would not have resulted in killing innocent people. i think it partly depends on whether you see the sentence as a punishment or a deterrent the death penalty clearly doesn't work very well as a deterrent if you would prefer the death penalty, then obviously life in prison would be more of a punishment ---------- Post added 13-03-2014 at 10:14 ---------- Halibut seems to think punishing a murderer is inhumane and they should get away Scott free i don't know what he seems to think, but his post didn't say anything of the sort - he said that killing a murderer is inhumane - he didn't say they shouldn't be punished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 i think it partly depends on whether you see the sentence as a punishment or a deterrent the death penalty clearly doesn't work very well as a deterrent The fact we have nearly 100,000 people in prison would suggest that prison is less of a deterrent. ---------- Post added 13-03-2014 at 10:27 ---------- if you would prefer the death penalty, then obviously life in prison would be more of a punishment So obviously much more inhumane if you are innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Ricgem, this man, it turns out, was wrongly convicted. That is precisely the point. Innocent people end up inevitably getting executed. But there is something really terrible about this latest case that many people will have missed. The friends and relatives of the person who was murdered have spent 30 years waiting for the original sentence to be carried out, 30 years of having that final act hanging over them, waiting for that call to make a choice to be present at the execution. 30 years of that only to find that the killer was never even caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 While it's a great shame he spent twenty-five years behind bars at least he's still alive. When the death penalty was legal in the UK a person convicted of murder usually went to the gallows in a few weeks. If evidence was later found to prove him innocent it was just a little too late. This man on the other hand needs to find himself a good lawyer and find out what he can get in the way of just compensation The past history of the UK death penalty isn't really relevant - I mean we could dig into what passed for justice in the Deep South around the same time if you really like but... The main point is that since 1976 the various States have been happily executing people. I wonder how many of them were innocent.... ---------- Post added 13-03-2014 at 10:45 ---------- Halibut seems to think punishing a murderer is inhumane and they should get away Scott free some people like to live in the real world, and others like to dance around in the sun picking flowers and smoking weed Please indicate where Halibut thinks they should get away scot-free then? It's a particularly unedifying spectacle that people put up on here - Halibut says something that people disagree with and think that it's therefore reasonable to decry him as some bleeding heart liberal. It only make you look more foolish as he never said what you ascribe to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Halibut seems to think punishing a murderer is inhumane and they should get away Scott free some people like to live in the real world, and others like to dance around in the sun picking flowers and smoking weed So in your world there are two options. Kill the prisoner or set him free. Fortunately most of us live in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manlinose Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 The fact we have nearly 100,000 people in prison would suggest that prison is less of a deterrent. ---------- Post added 13-03-2014 at 10:27 ---------- So obviously much more inhumane if you are innocent. it is arguably so that prison is not a deterrent to many people, but i was only talking about murderers - and i'm not sure the murder rate went up significantly when the death penalty was abolished - although i'd be happy to be corrected if anyone can be bothered to search for the statistics and i'm not sure i follow the argument that killing an innocent person is more humane than allowing them to live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 it is arguably so that prison is not a deterrent to many people, but i was only talking about murderers - and i'm not sure the murder rate went up significantly when the death penalty was abolished - although i'd be happy to be corrected if anyone can be bothered to search for the statistics and i'm not sure i follow the argument that killing an innocent person is more humane than allowing them to live The numbers of murders did gradually rise after the death penalty was abolished here but are now at the lowest level since the 1970s. I though that in the USA states with the death penalty actually have higher murder rates than states that don't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 it is arguably so that prison is not a deterrent to many people, but i was only talking about murderers - and i'm not sure the murder rate went up significantly when the death penalty was abolished - although i'd be happy to be corrected if anyone can be bothered to search for the statistics and i'm not sure i follow the argument that killing an innocent person is more humane than allowing them to live I think that the criminals perception of the risks of getting caught is a much higher deterrent than the punishment itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 In your opinion, which is probably based on the fact that you would rather be locked up for life than executed. My opinion is different, I would rather be dead than locked up for life, so in my opinion a life of confinement is inhumane. I would give convicted people the choice of prison or death, unless there is no depute at all in the conviction, like Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale. In there case there is no possibility that they were wrongly convicted, so an execution carried out straight after the trial would not have resulted in killing innocent people. I would rather be dead than locked up for life without contact from friends, family and loved ones. I wouldn't consider it more inhumane though. It's a more fitting punishment though. I don't even see the point in the death penalty, doesn't serve a purpose as far as I'm concerned. On your point about 100,000 people being in prison. I think you're right to a certain degree prison isn't a deterrent. Especially for those serving the odd 6month term. I think alternative punishments should be given to them, like hard community service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I think the death penalty can still be justified in some cases, the standard of proof may just need to be altered. For example the Woolwich killers, where there is zero doubt they did it. It would be justifiable to hang them in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.