skinz Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Not really. Two possibilities are... Firstly sentencing - planned attacks lead to longer sentences. Spur of the moment attacks lead to shorter sentences as you can imagine. Secondly the media - journalists don't understand law hence the ridiculous headlines about damages in civil claims. They could well have used the word thinking it had relevance. That's all I can think of. Posted from Sheffieldforum.co.uk App for Android So, if this attack was deemed to be premeditated that would make no difference other than mitigation only as to the intent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Quote: Originally Posted by Moosey Not really. Two possibilities are... Firstly sentencing - planned attacks lead to longer sentences. Spur of the moment attacks lead to shorter sentences as you can imagine. Secondly the media - journalists don't understand law hence the ridiculous headlines about damages in civil claims. They could well have used the word thinking it had relevance. That's all I can think of. Posted from Sheffieldforum.co.uk App for Android So, if this attack was deemed to be premeditated that would make no difference other than mitigation only as to the intent? Yup it'd just likely result in a longer sentence. Posted from Sheffieldforum.co.uk App for Android Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999tigger Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 LMAO@ Moosey. Premeditation is used in US law as a phrase, but as Moosey said English law operates differently in deciding what elements are needed for it to be classed as murder. Its probably being used by the media. Acts of premeditation might be considered as making a stringer case that the person had formed the intent to kill or cause gbh. It can also be relevant evidence in acts of conspiracy or attempted crimes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 if you carry a weapon it is perceived you are going to use it Which is why you get a longer sentence for armed robbery, whether you use a gun on the job or not. The intention is if for any reason you need to use it, you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 This should help clear things up, surprised no ones posted it yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_English_law jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidley Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 This should help clear things up, surprised no ones posted it yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_English_law jb See post 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 See post 13 Different wiki page. My link relates directly to murder law in the UK, not a general page on murder. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidley Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Hi So does mine Quote Definition William Blackstone (citing Edward Coke), in his Commentaries on the Laws of England set out the common law definition of murder, which by this definition occurs when a person, of sound memory and discretion, unlawfully kills any reasonable creature in being and under the king's peace, with malice aforethought, either express or implied.[2] 'extract' But two is better than one< every little helps:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Hi So does mine Quote Definition William Blackstone (citing Edward Coke), in his Commentaries on the Laws of England set out the common law definition of murder, which by this definition occurs when a person, of sound memory and discretion, unlawfully kills any reasonable creature in being and under the king's peace, with malice aforethought, either express or implied.[2] 'extract' No, your page contains a couple of references to English law contained within a general overview of murder across a number of jurisdictions. The link I posted is specifically about UK law alone, and therefore more relevant. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidley Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 you maybe right, i have added a bit to my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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