EU and democracy

[tzijlstra]

So you have no answer to the fact that none of them have any mandate to rule over us. Thankfully you admit defeat!

 

If THAT is your question (which you didn't ask before) the answer is: they were appointed by the member-states and thus have a mandate and are representing a democratically elected government.

[ivanava]

No it isn't because of that, but hey, nice attempt at scoring cheap points.

 

I will indulge you because you are so obviously and blatantly wrong: Care to elaborate on which millions are without an elected representative in the EU? Because the shocking and horrible truth dear Multiphobe is that it is: None.

 

The millions that don't vote because they don't want to be part of the EU and were never given the opportunity to vote on membership.

[SevenRivers]

If THAT is your question (which you didn't ask before) the answer is: they were appointed by the member-states and thus have a mandate and are representing a democratically elected government.

 

If only local councils had the power to elect MPs and the Prime Minister, would you consider it democratic?

[LeMaquis]

Tell us, what democratic election did Baroness Ashton win, ever?

 

She's won as many parliamentary elections as all the UKIP candidates put together. And unlike Farage she doesn't bottle a challenge.

[ivanava]

If THAT is your question (which you didn't ask before) the answer is: they were appointed by the member-states and thus have a mandate and are representing a democratically elected government.

 

But our government isn't very democratic because it leaves millions without representation.

[LeMaquis]

The millions that don't vote because they don't want to be part of the EU and were never given the opportunity to vote on membership.

 

So why don't these millions vote for parties at general elections to get us out of the EU?

[SevenRivers]

She's won as many parliamentary elections as all the UKIP candidates put together. And unlike Farage she doesn't bottle a challenge.

 

Farage ain't the one refusing a televised TV debate. Next pathetic pro-EU argument please.

[tzijlstra]

The millions that don't vote because they don't want to be part of the EU and were never given the opportunity to vote on membership.

 

Yawn.... so predictable. So it is undemocratic because people DON'T vote, is it? Isn't there the option to vote?

 

Please refrain from continuing to go round and round and round.

 

If only local councils had the power to elect MPs and the Prime Minister, would you consider it democratic?

 

Local councils don't have the power to elect MPs or the Prime Minister, in the case of MPs (who have an equivalent in the EU called MEPs) it is the people (Thus democratic) and in the case of the Prime Minister it is the party (accepted to be democratic).

 

I am actually all in favour for a reform that has been proposed countless times in the EU and keeps being blasted down by people like those that you think will represent your democratic right: Make the EU a federal union with an elected president, not unlike the United States.

 

However, being in favour of that reform does not mean I am of the opinion that the EU is currently undemocratic.

[ivanava]

So why don't these millions vote for parties at general elections to get us out of the EU?

 

They do, but that doesn't give them the representation that democracy says they should have.

[tzijlstra]

They do, but that doesn't give them the representation that democracy says they should have.

 

Are you simply changing the goal-posts on what democracy is here, or are you finally going to give an answer longer than a one-liner that actually explains what you think a democracy should do to represent people?