Leather man Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I got one of their flyers through the letter box today. What a bunch of idiots. On the flyer is a list, and at the top of this list is banning the burka. Quote> because it is threatening and offensive< Quote LOL. Now if it had been huddies on Saturday night I could understand it Even screaming Lord sutch had a better chance of retaining his deposit. They won’t even succeed by way of protest votes. The burka IS offensive. Its also degrading and misogynistic. The bnp are nobs though so this valid point they have is going to be pretty much ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 That is the decision to be made - it is either reasonable or it isn't. And if it is unreasonable (because it is low risk) then it is unreasonable to ask anyone to uncover their face, including those wearing helmets or balaclavas. The 'religious' element doesn't mean you obscure the facial features any more or less and it is therefore neither here nor there when assessing the risk/reasonableness. If you ban the wearing of helmets and balaclavas in banks then you need to ban the wearing of burkas too. You're arguing that the decision criteria should only be 'Is their face covered or not?' The banks are taking a more nuanced approach - 'Is their face covered by a garment bank robbers have frequently worn?' It surely makes sense for banks to choose security measures that, while effective, minimise the number of people affected by them. There are many reasons to object to burkas - I agree with many of them. It's just that the bank thing is a poor one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 People should be free to wear a Burqa if they wish, it is a free country (up to a point) and if people want to segregate themselves from mainstream society that's their look out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenoside123 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 My understanding of the burqa is that woman wear it to hide their beauty from the prying eyes of men other than their husbands.... What happens if the lady has sexy, come to bed eyes?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldprune Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 People should be free to wear a Burqa if they wish, it is a free country (up to a point) and if people want to segregate themselves from mainstream society that's their look out. And if folk who own businesses want to put up a sign saying NO BALAKLAVAS NO HOODIES NO BURKAS NO HELMETS that's ok too. ---------- Post added 08-05-2014 at 12:29 ---------- You're arguing that the decision criteria should only be 'Is their face covered or not?' The banks are taking a more nuanced approach - 'Is their face covered by a garment bank robbers have frequently worn?' It surely makes sense for banks to choose security measures that, while effective, minimise the number of people affected by them. There are many reasons to object to burkas - I agree with many of them. It's just that the bank thing is a poor one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaO57bIGCSE http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/burka-gang-selfridges-raid-male-3397803 http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/weird/police-hunt-bacup-bank-robber-dressed-in-burka-1-5837036 http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/420395/Burka-wearing-armed-robbers-foiled-by-brave-shop-assistant http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/9491004.Armed_robber_holds_up_jeweller___wearing_a_burka/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelle-82 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 and what about those women that WANT to wear it? weve had this debate lots of times on here, you DONT get rid of oppression by oppressing ---------- Post added 07-05-2014 at 18:35 ---------- and what about "our" society and women being told its right to wear as little as possible? surely thats sexist too? its about compromise and finding the middle ground some women want to wear a burka, some women are forced some could say some women like to wear the least possible, some would say its our society that fosters that indoctrination its about cutting out the force without impinging on peoples freedoms Women, from every walk of life should be able to do as they wish..... with modesty! absolutely.... As i have said, other women will not share my view on the burqa... i care not for the male opinion of it... No uterus, no opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenRivers Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 why do people focus on the issue of banks, I'm sure the bnps bugbear about the burka is far more wide ranging than purely ONE institution? Co-Op. I've know bikers refused service to buy milk or bread because they had their helmets on even though the helmet didn't hide the face. On th eother hand I've queued with burka-clad women (I assume they were women) in Co-Op who were served cigarettes without challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenoside123 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Co-Op. I've know bikers refused service to buy milk or bread because they had their helmets on even though the helmet didn't hide the face. On th eother hand I've queued with burka-clad women (I assume they were women) in Co-Op who were served cigarettes without challenge. Reading this, I'm gutted Burkas weren't around when I was a teen. Would have helped my attempts to illegally purchase alcohol a breeze! For any present day teens who maybe reading this thread, this is of course a joke and I would highly advise against obtaining a Burka for this purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 The burka IS offensive. Its also degrading and misogynistic. The bnp are nobs though so this valid point they have is going to be pretty much ignored. To state that something is offensive or not offensive is subjective. What part of that are you struggling to comprehend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 You're arguing that the decision criteria should only be 'Is their face covered or not?' The banks are taking a more nuanced approach - 'Is their face covered by a garment bank robbers have frequently worn?' It surely makes sense for banks to choose security measures that, while effective, minimise the number of people affected by them. There are many reasons to object to burkas - I agree with many of them. It's just that the bank thing is a poor one. The chances of a stick-em-up robber wearing a burka may be statistically less than wearing a motorcycle helmet but that is not the risk. The risk is not being able to identify people committing crime and banks are susceptible to more crime than just stick-em-up robbers! Fraud is also a big issue e.g. people obtaining money using a stolen card or by making a bogus mortgage application. We need to be able to identfy these people and that is very difficult if their faces are covered... and it doesn't matter what the covering is! If banks allow burkas then it isn't because they see that form of face covering as less of a risk. It is because they fear being prosecuted for discrimination, which is a favourite passtime of the religious who proclaim not to want to impose themselves on others but do. Anti-discrimination laws (or the interpretation of them) has gone too far and we need to push back. We cannot have different rules for people because of their religious beliefs because that is itself discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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