Is Nick Clegg right

[tinfoilhat]

Sod em, if they want to carry a knife they can deal with the consequences.

 

Not everyone can be reformed, some people are just scum and belong in prison.

 

But it won't differentiate between a gang banging hoodlum and an absent minded fisherman, carpet fitter, camper etc etc. You can get nicked for that sort of thing if you aren't at work - I watched it happen on one of these fly on the wall cop shows. A tree surgeon got pulled over (in his work van with tools in the back) and he was cautioned for having an offensive weapon (knife) in his door bin. We wasn't physically "tree surgeoning" so an easy score for the plod.

 

Tougher sentances for killing someone with a knife would help rather than 15 yrs meaning out in 8.

[tzijlstra]

But it won't differentiate between a gang banging hoodlum and an absent minded fisherman, carpet fitter, camper etc etc. You can get nicked for that sort of thing if you aren't at work - I watched it happen on one of these fly on the wall cop shows. A tree surgeon got pulled over (in his work van with tools in the back) and he was cautioned for having an offensive weapon (knife) in his door bin. We wasn't physically "tree surgeoning" so an easy score for the plod.

 

Tougher sentances for killing someone with a knife would help rather than 15 yrs meaning out in 8.

 

This.

 

People think everything is black and white and therefore the law should be. It is very rare that a court-case is. To simply throw people in jail for being caught with a knife twice is ludicrous, especially as that same standard doesn't apply to any other breaking of the law.

 

I am sure those of you that support this law would also love to see the Lawrence killers locked up regardless, except that that is effectively what happened and look where it led to? And what about the boy in Leeds that triggered this? Did he have previous? Was there something messed up going on? without the test of law you can't know.

 

PS: Each prisoner in a cell costs the tax-payer around £120 a day. I'd rather spend it on useful things like tax-breaks thanks.

[Mecky]

I rean in the Metro that yesterday that both parties in this coalition have been keeping secrets of policy proposals from each other

[rickiethecat]

I rean in the Metro that yesterday that both parties in this coalition have been keeping secrets of policy proposals from each other

 

Really? You'll be telling us the Pope's a catholic next.

[quicken]

Cleg right you dont hear that every day, that aside the religious angle http://www.sikhanswers.com/modern-youth-issues/legal-standing-on-sikhs-wearing-kirpan/

 

n the United Kingdom (Legal)

 

It is legal under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (section 139) and Offensive Weapons Act 1996 (section 3 and 4) for a Sikh to carry a kirpan with a blade for religious reasons (other reasons allowed by the Act are cultural or work related reasons). The Criminal Justice Act 1988 safeguards the rights of the Sikhs to carry the Kirpan as it is deemed a necessary part of their religion.

 

this being wrong needs changing

 

 

 

 

In Denmark

 

On October 24, 2006, the Eastern High Court of Denmark upheld the earlier ruling of the Copenhagen City Court by which wearing of Kirpan by a Sikh was declared illegal. By this Denmark has become the first country in the World to pass such a ruling. Ripudaman Singh, who now works as a Scientist, was earlier convicted by the City Court for violating the Danish Weapons Law for publicly carrying a knife. He was fined 3000 Danish Kroner or an alternate imprisonment of 6 days. Though the High Court quashed this sentence, it maintained that the carrying of Kirpan by a Sikh is in violation of the Danish Weapons Law. The judgment stated, After all the information about the accused, the reason for the accused to possess a knife and the other circumstances of the case, such exceptional extenuating circumstances are found, that the punishment should be dropped, cf. Penal Code § 83, 2nd period.

 

Danish Weapons Law allows carrying of knives in public places if it is for fishing, hunting, sports or any other purpose recognized as valid. The High Court did not find religion as being a valid reason for carrying kirpan. It stated that, For these reasons, as stated by the City Court, it is agreed that the circumstance of the accused carrying the knife as a Sikh, cannot be regarded as a similarly recognisable purpose, included in the decision for the exceptions in weapon law § 4, par. 1, 1st period, second part.

 

 

and there pastry's are good too

[ivanava]

Nick Clegg has spent 4 years propping up the government, now when they appear to be preposing some thing sensible, "The automatic prison sentence for the SECOND offence of knife possession" he is vetoing it. Is he right?

 

No he isn't right.

[Halibut]

this being wrong needs changing

 

No it doesn't. Nothing wrong with it.

 

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Nick Clegg has spent 4 years propping up the government, now when they appear to be preposing some thing sensible, "The automatic prison sentence for the SECOND offence of knife possession" he is vetoing it. Is he right?

 

But it won't differentiate between a gang banging hoodlum and an absent minded fisherman, carpet fitter, camper etc etc. You can get nicked for that sort of thing if you aren't at work - I watched it happen on one of these fly on the wall cop shows. A tree surgeon got pulled over (in his work van with tools in the back) and he was cautioned for having an offensive weapon (knife) in his door bin. We wasn't physically "tree surgeoning" so an easy score for the plod.

 

Tougher sentances for killing someone with a knife would help rather than 15 yrs meaning out in 8.

 

Yes, Nick is right for the reasons explained above.

[firemanbob]

But it won't differentiate between a gang banging hoodlum and an absent minded fisherman, carpet fitter, camper etc etc. You can get nicked for that sort of thing if you aren't at work - I watched it happen on one of these fly on the wall cop shows. A tree surgeon got pulled over (in his work van with tools in the back) and he was cautioned for having an offensive weapon (knife) in his door bin. We wasn't physically "tree surgeoning" so an easy score for the plod.

 

Tougher sentances for killing someone with a knife would help rather than 15 yrs meaning out in 8.

 

Its not against the law to carry a knife if you have a good reason for carrying it. So obviously if the police pulled someone up and accepted their reason it wouldn't be classed as an offense. And you don't even need a good reason to carry a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long or less.

 

If you are carrying an illegal knife, or using any kind of knife in a threatening way you deserve to go to prison.

[Anna B]

Unless it is work related I can see no good reason to carry a knife, if someone is prosecuted for carrying a knife in public for no good reason they should receive the full force of the law.

 

My 88 year old relative carries (and always has carried) a small Sheffield made penknife, a gift from his Dad. He uses it to sharpen pencils, cut fruit, do odd jobs, cuttings in the garden etc.

 

He's recently been stopped twice going through metal detectors, once at the airport and once at the lawcourts.

 

He was surprised to hear it described as 'an offensive weapon.' It's just something he habitually pops into his pocket along with his handkerchief and keys. Says it's because he was a boy scout.

[tinfoilhat]

Its not against the law to carry a knife if you have a good reason for carrying it. So obviously if the police pulled someone up and accepted their reason it wouldn't be classed as an offense. And you don't even need a good reason to carry a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long or less.

 

If you are carrying an illegal knife, or using any kind of knife in a threatening way you deserve to go to prison.

 

Worth noting what constitutes in illegal knife - most leatherman type tool for starters.

 

But The bloke in question was driving in his van - he wasn't waving a knife out his window. It was a fixed blade (pruning knife maybe?) and police saw fit to nick him for it. I've read of a chef getting pinched carrying his knives in the street - he was taking them to a friends to get sharpened. As he wasn't chopping a tomato as he went the old bill thought he didn't have a valid reason and nicked him. It didn't stop knife crime or get a criminal off the streets it gave someone a record who shouldn't get one. And if you think any of this will stop knife crime, you're wrong. You'll have kids carrying screwdrivers and stabbing each other with them - will it be illegal to carry them next?

 

We need to stop the normalising of casual violence. The bloke who killed that lad with one punch still only gets 4 years. Do you think he's going to give a toss whether he's caught with a knife or not!?