How is your meat killed?

[ivanava]

To be honest I didn’t know either – I had to look it up – I had some idea about a bolt gun, but didn’t know any more.

It just seems odd to see people getting worked up about Halal without knowing anything about the alternatives – and the recent tabloid hate-mongering doesn’t address it either.

Maybe school kids should be taken on abattoir tours??

 

What makes you think they know nothing about the alternatives and surely if its acceptable for Muslims to refuse to eat meat killed by non Muslims, it must be acceptable for non Muslims to refuse to eat meat killed by Muslims.

[tzijlstra]

To be honest I didn’t know either – I had to look it up – I had some idea about a bolt gun, but didn’t know any more.

It just seems odd to see people getting worked up about Halal without knowing anything about the alternatives – and the recent tabloid hate-mongering doesn’t address it either.

Maybe school kids should be taken on abattoir tours??

 

I think they should, people are so far removed from where their food comes from that it is scary. My uncles on my mother's side all worked in an abattoir in the Netherlands, I can't say I liked it, but I got a tour of the place, which at the time was one of the most modern and humane slaughterhouses in the country.

 

Pigs got electrocuted, hooked in the rear leg and pulled through an acid bad to tan the hide and lose the hair in one fell swoop. Nobody checked if they were actually dead or not, it was irrelevant because they were stunned. At least with halal meat you know the animal is dead before going through all this. Next stop was a poor sod who had to use his fingers to claw the eyes out and the next one took the ears and noses off... By the end of the line you'd have a pig nicely cut in half and ready to go to a finishing butcher (who cuts it and is considered the specialist in this process). It made me turn off meat for quite a few years until I realised: That is the way it is.

 

I grew up in the countryside, my dad is happy to slaughter his own chickens, rabbits and so on and I used to help him. My brother worked on a pig rearing farm for a year and I used to go over to help a few days. It makes you understand where food comes from.

[Waldo]

I think a lot of people perhaps feel islam, like many other mass religions, is a form of mass ignorance. Part of people's objection to halal, is that they don't want to encourage 'less than enlightened' ways of understanding ourselves and the world around us, they don't want to encourage retarded and outdated paradigms.

 

Is wanting humanity to progress away from darkness, to be more enlightened and truthful, a form of bigotry?

[turtles]

I think they should, people are so far removed from where their food comes from that it is scary. My uncles on my mother's side all worked in an abattoir in the Netherlands, I can't say I liked it, but I got a tour of the place, which at the time was one of the most modern and humane slaughterhouses in the country.

 

Pigs got electrocuted, hooked in the rear leg and pulled through an acid bad to tan the hide and lose the hair in one fell swoop. Nobody checked if they were actually dead or not, it was irrelevant because they were stunned. At least with halal meat you know the animal is dead before going through all this. Next stop was a poor sod who had to use his fingers to claw the eyes out and the next one took the ears and noses off... By the end of the line you'd have a pig nicely cut in half and ready to go to a finishing butcher (who cuts it and is considered the specialist in this process). It made me turn off meat for quite a few years until I realised: That is the way it is.

 

I grew up in the countryside, my dad is happy to slaughter his own chickens, rabbits and so on and I used to help him. My brother worked on a pig rearing farm for a year and I used to go over to help a few days. It makes you understand where food comes from.

 

People have absolutely no clue, where I get my meat from (I eat grass fed, no corn etc) I was actually given the opportunity to visit and see how the animals live. The same they were preparing the chickens on site, neck broken, then slit. Nothing about any religious practises, just quick and easy. They lived a good life, fed with natural food, and that's what is important to me. People are acting like stunning is a quick, painless way to go. It doesn't always work, they are held up in cages and crushed into a corner. Neither way is preferable, but I find it funny people are more caught up on how it is killed, rather than the life it led.

[Grenoside123]

I'd prefer not to know to be honest, ignorance is bliss. If I spent time thinking about the ins and outs of how my dinner was butchered, I'd probably not want to eat it.

[geared]

I didn't realise the pigs didn't get the bolt gun, I thought all large animals got that now.

 

I object to the 'old school' method of slaughter for halal and Kosher as it's barbaric in todays world.

 

It's not common in our country tho, most animals are stunned first (whatever that means)

[terryh]

the suffering of animals is more important than any religion

[tzijlstra]

I didn't realise the pigs didn't get the bolt gun, I thought all large animals got that now.

 

I object to the 'old school' method of slaughter for halal and Kosher as it's barbaric in todays world.

 

It's not common in our country tho, most animals are stunned first (whatever that means)

 

They might do now, when I went it was some 20 years ago. But let's not kid ourselves, slaughter is slaughter, whether old school or not. There is nothing that isn't barbaric about how your chicken ends up on your plate halal or not.

 

Again, speaking from my rural back-ground, I spent a night trying to learn how to catch chickens at a chicken farm (this was a free range farm btw) these chickens were six weeks old, force-raised despite being free range, so they could be sold at supermarkets around the country and EU. Every week a group of lads would come and round up the designated pen. This means that some ten fellows go in, having to fill crates with these chickens - catching them so you can carry eight at a time, sometimes you simply can't get one, it is too quick or the seven you have are bouncing around a lot, no problem, you kick it so it is stunned. If you don't manage to clear the pen with your team before the end of the shift you don't get the bonus, so pressure is on.

 

At the abattoir the pigs arrived in their lorries, packed together, chased out with cattle-prods (stun-guns) into another tiny pen where some brute put a cap on four of them (four at a time as that was all the electricity they could muster at one time) so 20 pigs would be sitting there looking how they get stunned in batches of four.

 

People that say halal or kosher butchery is barbaric really haven't got a clue. If that is your view than stop eating meat as soon as possible. Meat is dead animals, period.

[Plain Talker]

They might do now, when I went it was some 20 years ago. But let's not kid ourselves, slaughter is slaughter, whether old school or not. There is nothing that isn't barbaric about how your chicken ends up on your plate halal or not.

 

Again, speaking from my rural back-ground, I spent a night trying to learn how to catch chickens at a chicken farm (this was a free range farm btw) these chickens were six weeks old, force-raised despite being free range, so they could be sold at supermarkets around the country and EU. Every week a group of lads would come and round up the designated pen. This means that some ten fellows go in, having to fill crates with these chickens - catching them so you can carry eight at a time, sometimes you simply can't get one, it is too quick or the seven you have are bouncing around a lot, no problem, you kick it so it is stunned. If you don't manage to clear the pen with your team before the end of the shift you don't get the bonus, so pressure is on.

 

At the abattoir the pigs arrived in their lorries, packed together, chased out with cattle-prods (stun-guns) into another tiny pen where some brute put a cap on four of them (four at a time as that was all the electricity they could muster at one time) so 20 pigs would be sitting there looking how they get stunned in batches of four.

 

People that say halal or kosher butchery is barbaric really haven't got a clue. If that is your view than stop eating meat as soon as possible. Meat is dead animals, period.

thank you Tzijlztra.

[sheffield0]

They might do now, when I went it was some 20 years ago. But let's not kid ourselves, slaughter is slaughter, whether old school or not. There is nothing that isn't barbaric about how your chicken ends up on your plate halal or not.

 

Again, speaking from my rural back-ground, I spent a night trying to learn how to catch chickens at a chicken farm (this was a free range farm btw) these chickens were six weeks old, force-raised despite being free range, so they could be sold at supermarkets around the country and EU. Every week a group of lads would come and round up the designated pen. This means that some ten fellows go in, having to fill crates with these chickens - catching them so you can carry eight at a time, sometimes you simply can't get one, it is too quick or the seven you have are bouncing around a lot, no problem, you kick it so it is stunned. If you don't manage to clear the pen with your team before the end of the shift you don't get the bonus, so pressure is on.

 

At the abattoir the pigs arrived in their lorries, packed together, chased out with cattle-prods (stun-guns) into another tiny pen where some brute put a cap on four of them (four at a time as that was all the electricity they could muster at one time) so 20 pigs would be sitting there looking how they get stunned in batches of four.

 

People that say halal or kosher butchery is barbaric really haven't got a clue. If that is your view than stop eating meat as soon as possible. Meat is dead animals, period.

 

Kick the chickens if they are bouncing about? Well wouldn't you be bouncing about if your hung upside down in someone's hand along with another 8 or so!!!