Bonzo77 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Who is to blame for the extreme few's of a Muslims, from my point of few it must be the Muslim concerned, the Muslims around him, and the book he reads, from their point of few it must be the fault of Allah for making a defective human. None of this makes any sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny5 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Your reasoning here is very skewed, kristallnacht isn't happening anytime soon because there are more people that voice their concern about it potentially happening, ignoring the problem won't make it go away, it will make it worse. You really believe that? You really believe that the people of this country would tolerate a kristallnacht if a core of self-appointed moral guardians weren't warning us about it? I don't think so. Anti-fascism is built into every one of us. We are taught it at school. We are taught it by our parents. Because a few knuckle draggers ignore that doesn't mean that people need the likes of, well we know who they are, using it as an excuse to talk down at people. I have little time for most of the "liberals" on here because their motives are obviously more to do with stroking their own ego rather than what they actually believe. You Tim, I like. I think you are genuine in everything you post. But that really is doing the people of this country a huge disservice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Why do you find it odd that they would have a muslim as vice-president? Are muslims not worthy of such a position? Also, UAF has no association with liberalism, not sure where you get that from. Azad Ali is an extremist Islamist fascist that thinks all Muslims have a religious duty to kill British service personnel. With someone like that at the forefront of their organization why does it surprise you that people are opposed to the UAF. ---------- Post added 13-05-2014 at 13:01 ---------- None of 5 his makes any sense! And that does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Azad Ali is an extremist Islamist fascist that thinks all Muslims have a religious duty to kill British service personnel. With someone like that at the forefront of their organization why does it surprise you that people are opposed to the UAF. ---------- Post added 13-05-2014 at 13:01 ---------- And that does? At least I can blame auto correct on my phone. You seem to have real issues when it comes to stringing letters together to form words! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 At least I can blame auto correct on my phone. You seem to have real issues when it comes to stringing letters together to form words! You really do hold a grudge don't you, very sad but I am sure one day you will get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 The UAF supposedly stand for freedom and democracy. Their vice president Azad Ali was filmed by undercover reporters for channel 4 saying this: "Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, of course no one agrees with that." You might view this point as mere semantics (with respect, you'd be wrong) and I'm really no lover or advocate of Sharia Law (because of its theological basis first, then all of the centuries-old discriminating principles that derive from it - though some more humanitarian aspects of it are laudable, and which unsurprisingly correlate closely with equivalent provisions in largely Christian-inspired civil and common law systems)...but Sharia is not incompatible with democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 You really do hold a grudge don't you, very sad but I am sure one day you will get over it. Just pointing out facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I didn't say Muslim, I said Islamist. Look it up. I don't know who this fella is, I don't hold a rolodex with idiots on my desk, nor do I affiliate with UAF. An organisation whose name is 'Unite against Fascism' has nothing to do with liberalism? Pull the other one. The UAF supposedly stand for freedom and democracy. Their vice president Azad Ali was filmed by undercover reporters for channel 4 saying this: "Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, of course no one agrees with that." Again, not a clue who the fellow is. Also, UAF has its foundations in the workers movement aka socialism. I am not going to go into a political paradigm debate but believe me, it isn't the same. In what why do you think I have admitted guilt? By putting a position forward that is so obviously generalising that it is obvious. Have fun denying it. You really believe that? You really believe that the people of this country would tolerate a kristallnacht if a core of self-appointed moral guardians weren't warning us about it? I don't think so. Anti-fascism is built into every one of us. We are taught it at school. We are taught it by our parents. Because a few knuckle draggers ignore that doesn't mean that people need the likes of, well we know who they are, using it as an excuse to talk down at people. I have little time for most of the "liberals" on here because their motives are obviously more to do with stroking their own ego rather than what they actually believe. You Tim, I like. I think you are genuine in everything you post. But that really is doing the people of this country a huge disservice. I am afraid it isn't built into all of us Jonny5, I really don't think it is. It is only in this society of ours because we remember and never forget. If we get to the point where we don't discuss this sort of issue any more we would potentially slide into a fascist state faster than Ayrton Senna could drive round Monaco. I know many muslims and I know many of them are amazed at the level of hatred that exists, many of them don't want to be part of fora like this and avoid publicly discussing how they feel with non-muslims because they are scared of being called out on their faith. I'd much rather have a society where we talk to each other than one where we phase one (massive) group out because they happen to be of a different religion. Once you actually start listening out for it, latent islamophobia is everywhere, just like homophobia is - people, including me, are afraid of what they don't understand, the only way to combat that is by gaining understanding - which is what I am doing by engaging in dialogue with the muslims I know, by reading (but by no means understanding) the Quran and by placing myself in their shoes. Azad Ali is an extremist Islamist fascist that thinks all Muslims have a religious duty to kill British service personnel. With someone like that at the forefront of their organization why does it surprise you that people are opposed to the UAF. Like I explained above, I haven't got a clue who he is, if he, like you claim, is one of the radical elements in islam than he needs to be taken to court for sowing hatred, but he hasn't been taken to court, he hasn't been found guilty of anything as far as I know, so until then I believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty. I also don't care whether he is in UAF or not, I have no association with UAF and don't care for them either way. Again, not sure why that is relevant at all? ===============================addendum========================================== Just want to add, blaming islam for the in-fighting that is going on is another way of saying you don't understand history. Christians have been bashing each others skulls in for centuries, once the Catholic church finally gained the upperhand in these parts they strung up anybody not catholic, accusing them of witchcrafting and herecy (not unlike the extremists in islam are doing). Then when there was a split in the church the protestants and catholics pursued each other relentlessly, Huguenots in France were massacred, Catholics in the Germanic states were butchered for protecting priests. Inside all people are animals - the thing that puts us above that is dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasha_78_1 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 No, muslims are. The media dont blow people up, the media dont kidnap kids and hold for ransom, the media didnt blow up the twin towers, the media dont demand special treatment, the media dont murder people for drawing cartoons. It`s not all Muslims. Only the extremists. I knew a lot of Muslim people when I was working. All pleasant, peaceful people. There are extremists in all religions and all walks of life who spoil it for the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyFromSmoke Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Of course the media is to blame (sic) If it wasn't for them showing all the atrocities caused by this fowl religion then we wouldn't be so prejudiced would we ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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