RutlandFlyer Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I think you might be on to something there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Clowning Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 There are no political or ethical convictions, and certainly no-one there who wants to get on the hotseat, pull sleeves up and muck in. Just a career politician who's opportunistically exploiting a populist bandwagon.Isn't that supposed to be the point of polititions ? The reason he seems to be doing ok is because he is listening to the people rather than just treat them with contempt like the big 3 parties have been doing for far too long. Just look at Nick 'I'm a liar' Clegg, as soon as he got a sniff at real power he ditched his promises to his voters to further his career. Had he been a man of principle he would have been able to champion the stance of staying in Europe, instead he sold out and is the worst possible candidate to fight the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dosxuk Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Isn't that supposed to be the point of polititions ? The reason he seems to be doing ok is because he is listening to the people rather than just treat them with contempt like the big 3 parties have been doing for far too long. Listening to the people, or telling them what they want to hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Isn't that supposed to be the point of polititions ? The reason he seems to be doing ok is because he is listening to the people rather than just treat them with contempt like the big 3 parties have been doing for far too long. Just look at Nick 'I'm a liar' Clegg, as soon as he got a sniff at real power he ditched his promises to his voters to further his career. Had he been a man of principle he would have been able to champion the stance of staying in Europe, instead he sold out and is the worst possible candidate to fight the cause. You really haven't got any understanding of coalitions, nor do you understand why we have one at the moment. Yet here you are waiving your little UKIP flag, a party that can only ever achieve what it wants if it became a coalition partner. The LibDems have been sitting on the sideline for far too long, by getting into a shared power position they have actually been able to deliver to their voters. From gay weddings to a 10K tax-exempt base for all earners in this country. But yeah, let's ignore those points and keep rattling on about those poor students (whose numbers, incidentally, are rising faster than ever before...). Clegg knew he was taking a risk, if he had wanted to 'further his career' as you allege, he would have kept on the sidelines and built up support by sneering at everything the tories were trying to do. It actually is a sign of a good politician that he found compromise. That is how we all get further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Listening to the people, or telling them what they want to hear? If it's telling people what they want to hear then maybe the other politicians should be taking note, after all, they're there to serve us. Regards Doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 You really haven't got any understanding of coalitions, nor do you understand why we have one at the moment. Yet here you are waiving your little UKIP flag, a party that can only ever achieve what it wants if it became a coalition partner. The LibDems have been sitting on the sideline for far too long, by getting into a shared power position they have actually been able to deliver to their voters. From gay weddings to a 10K tax-exempt base for all earners in this country. But yeah, let's ignore those points and keep rattling on about those poor students (whose numbers, incidentally, are rising faster than ever before...). Clegg knew he was taking a risk, if he had wanted to 'further his career' as you allege, he would have kept on the sidelines and built up support by sneering at everything the tories were trying to do. It actually is a sign of a good politician that he found compromise. That is how we all get further. Well they look likely to get an elbow in the eye this time round:hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Well they look likely to get an elbow in the eye this time round:hihi: It's a consequence of actually taking responsibility. It is why part of me hopes UKIP gets voted into power, it will take a year and a half for the whole lot to come crashing down, that would be twice as long as the first populists in the Netherlands getting into power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 If it's telling people what they want to hear then maybe the other politicians should be taking note, after all, they're there to serve us. Regards Doom And UKIP MEP's are serving us in the EU parliament by doing what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanava Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 The LibDems have been sitting on the sideline for far too long, by getting into a shared power position they have actually been able to deliver to their voters. From gay weddings to a 10K tax-exempt base for all earners in this country. But yeah, let's ignore those points and keep rattling on about those poor students (whose numbers, incidentally, are rising faster than ever before...). Clegg knew he was taking a risk, if he had wanted to 'further his career' as you allege, he would have kept on the sidelines and built up support by sneering at everything the tories were trying to do. It actually is a sign of a good politician that he found compromise. That is how we all get further. I agree, I really don't understand why a Lib Dem voter would punish Clegg for becoming part of the coalition, as far as I can see he's not done a bad job. ---------- Post added 16-05-2014 at 17:04 ---------- And UKIP MEP's are serving us in the EU parliament by doing what? What did all the other MEP's do to serve us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny5 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Isn't that supposed to be the point of polititions ? The reason he seems to be doing ok is because he is listening to the people rather than just treat them with contempt like the big 3 parties have been doing for far too long. Just look at Nick 'I'm a liar' Clegg, as soon as he got a sniff at real power he ditched his promises to his voters to further his career. Had he been a man of principle he would have been able to champion the stance of staying in Europe, instead he sold out and is the worst possible candidate to fight the cause. Clegg made a deal. Coalition in exchange for a referendum on getting the voting system changed. It went belly up. He was naive but his integrity is intact. He's not lied at all. Its just that a lot of people can't figure out that a party in a coalition don't get to implement all of their policies. Nevertheless the influence of the lib dems on this government has been strong. If the lib dems aim was to have some influence on the running of the country, then they've succeeded. PR wise though it has been a disaster for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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