Titanic99 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Absolute rubbish, if you pay people sufficient they will not need tax credits. That's the whole point of what Cameron is on about. Why cant you and others with the same stuck in a timewarp mentality understand that we need to get away from welfare, tax credits. We need to work hard and earn! Are you seriously suggesting that people on minimum wage aren't reliant on Tax Credits and Housing Benefit to supplement their income? Fact is, the extra they get in their net pay will be almost totally lost in reductions to state Benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ladd Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 So I presume you would agree then that setting and enforcing a living wage would be a good start then? Absolutely, the more people are paid the more they are likely to spend. Although an eye must be kept on inflation (the Bank of Englands job). In principle the idea that low wages have any positive benefit is nonsense. ---------- Post added 04-10-2014 at 14:20 ---------- Are you seriously suggesting that people on minimum wage aren't reliant on Tax Credits and Housing Benefit to supplement their income? Fact is, the extra they get in their net pay will be almost totally lost in reductions to state Benefits. No I am suggesting that if people were paid enough they would not need tax credits or housing benefit. That's what logically follows Camerons policy. ---------- Post added 04-10-2014 at 14:23 ---------- Oh right, so Cameron's ensuring that companies pay a living wage is he? I must have missed that. Tell the women up and down the country who are holding down 3 jobs to feed their kids about working hard and earning! They are the very people he seeks to help! By taking them out of taxation and seeking to improve low earnings he will help them out of any form of dependency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloom Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 They are the very people he seeks to help! By taking them out of taxation and seeking to improve low earnings he will help them out of any form of dependency. By keeping their wages down? By allowing every greedy company to milk them dry? By reducing their working benefits as the cost of living spirals out of control? Cameron and his ilk only know how to help themselves. "Seeking to improve low earnings"? How? He could ensure that by setting a living wage. Will he? His tory friends and entrepreneurs in local meetings in London are asking for the minimum wage to be abolished altogether! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) By keeping their wages down? By allowing every greedy company to milk them dry? By reducing their working benefits as the cost of living spirals out of control? Cameron and his ilk only know how to help themselves. "Seeking to improve low earnings"? How? He could ensure that by setting a living wage. Will he? His tory friends and entrepreneurs in local meetings in London are asking for the minimum wage to be abolished altogether! God sake this living wage guff is really doing my head in. Just what the hell is a living wage supposed to be. How are we realistically suppose to force companies into paying it. If we keep putting the minimum wage up EVERYONE else will want theirs putting up. Companies overheads go up, product prices go up and round and round it goes. Anyone who comes out with any socialist claptrap that that's not the case is talking out of their behinds. National minimum wage is now £6.50 an hour. That's just over £12.6k a year for the lowest level, unskilled and untrained positions. So, what do you think skilled workers would expect to earn? Supervisors? Accademics? Engineers? Management? Directors? Living wage is a grey area. What essentials should everyone expect a bare minimum lifestyle? A roof over their head Food Television Internet Car Children Holidays nights out Some people will think nothing more than the top two are essential whereas many many many others think ALL of them should be a right. Minimum wage in 1999 was £3.60 - people coped. Prior to that there was nothing. You got what your employer paid you. - people coped. Recessions have happened many times before - people coped. Cost of living has been sky high many times before - people coped. Mortgage rates and rental costs shot through the roof - people coped. I never agreed with working tax credits when they were introduced and I for one am delighted they are being cut. I have not always earned a good wage and I too spent much of my working life earning much less than minimum wage. I made do and got on with it until I could do better. Yes it was tough. Yes it was a horrible existence but that's life. Too many people wanting things handed to them. ---------- Post added 04-10-2014 at 17:47 ---------- Absolutely, the more people are paid the more they are likely to spend. Although an eye must be kept on inflation (the Bank of Englands job). In principle the idea that low wages have any positive benefit is nonsense. I have to disagree. People spend and other's dont. Income is not necessarilly anything to do with it. Plenty of rich people with thousands in the bank are often the most mean and spend very little. Many rich people lead very modest lives. Compare that to are millions of people out there with low incomes but massive credit cards, mortgages, loans, payday lends and household items on the tick. Why? Because they are fueled by the consumer drive and want want want what they cant afford. Saving up until you can pay for it is not much a philosophy for the younger gen these days. Just look how many of those on said minimum wage all MUST HAVE the latest designer gear, smartphones, nights out, new cards and mortgaged homes Edited October 4, 2014 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Minimum wage & JSA should be dependant on location. You get more for your money up North. ---------- Post added 04-10-2014 at 19:31 ---------- We need to work hard and earn! We all work hard. I'm sick of politicians saying this. Is somebody who is on minimum wage with three jobs classed as working hard compared to members of the House of Lords who need only turn up for five minutes to collect their £300.00 a day, also classed as working hard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Minimum wage & JSA should be dependant on location. You get more for your money up North. ---------- Post added 04-10-2014 at 19:31 ---------- We all work hard. I'm sick of politicians saying this. Is somebody who is on minimum wage with three jobs classed as working hard compared to members of the House of Lords who need only turn up for five minutes to collect their £300.00 a day, also classed as working hard? Yes they might well be. Take a look at some of the background of those Lords (...im not saying all) and see their career history to get them into that position. Following your logic you could argue that any sort of Director / Chief / Manager who sits on their behind all day earning big bucks can never be classed as working hard. That's clearly not the case is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloom Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 God sake this living wage guff is really doing my head in. Just what the hell is a living wage supposed to be. How are we realistically suppose to force companies into paying it. If we keep putting the minimum wage up EVERYONE else will want theirs putting up. Companies overheads go up, product prices go up and round and round it goes. I don't think you understand - The people at the top ARE getting their wages put up and they've continued to get their wages put up and up for a very long time - the gap between the lower paid and the poorest paid in companies is wider than EVER. So, it's time the ones at the top had a pay freeze for a while until we lessen the gap a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xt500 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I don't think you understand - The people at the top ARE getting their wages put up and they've continued to get their wages put up and up for a very long time - the gap between the lower paid and the poorest paid in companies is wider than EVER. So, it's time the ones at the top had a pay freeze for a while until we lessen the gap a little. Who do they think will buy their products if they rip everyone off with their wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloom Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) Who do they think will buy their products if they rip everyone off with their wages? The workers at the bottom of the pyramid are getting ripped off now plenty. And plenty of people are buying products. BUT people DO vote with their purses. Tesco signed up for the stupid 'work for your dole' programme to get free labour subsidised completely by us. People were livid about it. Tesco have well and truly suffered since. People turned to other supermarkets in disgust and they haven't gone back. Edited October 5, 2014 by Mr Bloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 The workers at the bottom of the pyramid are getting ripped off now plenty. And plenty of people are buying products. BUT people DO vote with their purses. Tesco signed up for the stupid 'work for your dole' programme to get free labour subsidised completely by us. People were livid about it. Tesco have well and truly suffered since. People turned to other supermarkets in disgust and they haven't gone back. That's true, people have long memories. I remember the 1980s and early 90s and so do enough people not to give the tories a majority in 2010, even after 13 years of crap from Labour. I suspect the only people who voted tory in 2010 were the die-hard tory deniers and new voters too young to remember the 1980s and early 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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