The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Top Cats Hat]

3 minutes ago, phil752 said:

maybe not but a free vote would have them voting against the wishes of their constituents, without the excuses of being whipped

And how on earth would they know how many of their constituents would like to see the UK leave the EU without a deal?

 

[phil752]

1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said:

And how on earth would they know how many of their constituents would like to see the UK leave the EU without a deal?

 

they know how the vote was in their constancy

[Anna B]

So Labour insists on a deal, Mrs May can't get a deal, the EU say there is no other deal. What happens now?

 

[ECCOnoob]

32 minutes ago, Anna B said:

She lost by 149 votes this time. Can't find anything yet to say which parties they were from.

 

Poor Mrs May. I genuinely feel very sorry for her. She's done her best. She should go now, and enjoy nice long walking holidays with Phillip, away from the bear pit that is Parliament. She deserves a rest.

 

I wonder if Mrs Thatcher would have found herself in this position?

More than likely yes - as would any leader.   

 

Its for that very reason, that despite all the bluster and hot air, none of the other cowards are prepared to step up to the plate and do the job themselves. 

 

Irrelevant of party politics you have to give some credit to her.   She is attempting to sort out a mess dumped on her by her predecessor.

 

She is trying to action a dramatic political change which half the electorate dont even want.   One side of her own party is stabbing her in the front because its not hard enough.  The other side is stabbing her in the back because its too hard.    The opposition leader wants to agree it but has no balls to admit that in case he loses face with his party and the wider public   The opposition's own plan is just as unpopular and open to all the same backstabbing.  Then we have a room filled with smaller parties and independents who frankly dont care other than saying whatever makes them look good in front of the cameras and potential future voters.

 

Who actually can succeed in this debacle.     Should have never been put to the house.

 

The vote was cast.  One side won (albeit relatively marginally).  The democratcially elected government in power should have been free to undertake the task without such interference and stirring the pot.   This 24 months of muddying the waters, legal challenges and unwarranted and unhelpful gossip and speculation has turned an already very complex and difficult task into something bloody impossible.

Edited March 12, 2019 by ECCOnoob

[phil752]

7 minutes ago, Anna B said:

So Labour insists on a deal, Mrs May can't get a deal, the EU say there is no other deal. What happens now?

 

what is the difference between may deal and what the labour want

Edited March 12, 2019 by phil752

[Top Cats Hat]

3 minutes ago, phil752 said:

they know how the vote was in their constancy

There has never been a vote for leaving the UK without a deal.

 

It is believed support for no deal in the country is around 10% so even if that was double in leave voting constituencies, that still means that the majority of people in all constituencies oppose leaving without a deal.

[Anna B]

3 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

There has never been a vote for leaving the UK without a deal.

 

It is believed support for no deal in the country is around 10% so even if that was double in leave voting constituencies, that still means that the majority of people in all constituencies oppose leaving without a deal.

Really? 

 

The original vote was for in or out.

 

No mention of out, with  or without, a deal.

 

Just sayin'

[ECCOnoob]

2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

There has never been a vote for leaving the UK without a deal.

 

It is believed support for no deal in the country is around 10% so even if that was double in leave voting constituencies, that still means that the majority of people in all constituencies oppose leaving without a deal.

Errrm,  I think you will find that there has never been a vote for leaving the uk WITH a deal either.

 

It was a two choice referendum.  Nobody was asking us how we would want to leave.  That was nothing to do with us.

 

Do you need a refresher...    The question was very simple. 

 

"......Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union"

 

That was it. 

[phil752]

18 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

There has never been a vote for leaving the UK without a deal.

 

It is believed support for no deal in the country is around 10% so even if that was double in leave voting constituencies, that still means that the majority of people in all constituencies oppose leaving without a deal.

you really want to open that up again. My point was if Labour MP have a free vote and are from a vote leave constituency, then go on to scrap no deal , they should have questions to answer. It would be total disconnect with their constituents

Edited March 12, 2019 by phil752

[Top Cats Hat]

11 minutes ago, phil752 said:

you really want to open that up again. My point was if Labour MP have a free vote and are from a vote leave constituency, then go on to scrap no deal possibility, they should have questions to answer. It would be total disconnect with their constituents

Only if the majority of their constituents supported leaving without a deal.

 

You still haven't shown me any evidence that they do.