The Labour Party. All discussion here please

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6 hours ago, banjodeano said:

I think this report was made for the erhc enquiry, but then shelved on legal advice

That does rather put the veracity of, at least some of the claims in, the report in doubt.

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12 minutes ago, makapaka said:

It is the job to ask questions - but it’s important to have a view on what the right answer should be also.

anyone can ask a question.

 

as I said above - a recent example was on pupils returning to schools.

PMQs is supposed to be a mechanism to hold the government to account. Does the format of PMQs even allow for questioning the leader of the opposition? I imagine if it did, every government answer would just be "Well what would your party do?"

[Pettytom]

12 hours ago, makapaka said:

Of course it is. It’s also important he has a substantiated alternative where he disagrees with an approach by the government.

he hammered the government about kids going back to school safely - then asked why they they weren’t.

 

Opposition isn’t just about opposing - it’s about proposing alternatives.

 

But it isn’t safe for all kids to go back to school. He’s absolutely correct to force the Government’s hand over this.

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2 hours ago, altus said:

PMQs is supposed to be a mechanism to hold the government to account. Does the format of PMQs even allow for questioning the leader of the opposition? I imagine if it did, every government answer would just be "Well what would your party do?"

Yes - but you shouldn’t subsequently criticise a decision or action taken if you have no alternative to propose.

1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

But it isn’t safe for all kids to go back to school. He’s absolutely correct to force the Government’s hand over this.

Which kids - and what is keir starmer forcing the governments hand on?

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32 minutes ago, makapaka said:

 

Which kids - and what is keir starmer forcing the governments hand on?

There is no way that secondary schools can accommodate 1200 students all at once,  given the current infection rate and consequent need for social distancing. It really is simple, schools are not safe to open fully yet

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33 minutes ago, makapaka said:

Yes - but you shouldn’t subsequently criticise a decision or action taken if you have no alternative to propose.

Don't forget the government have the whole of the government machinery behind it to help it make policies, the opposition don't. Unless you're going to give the opposition parties the same access to resources and information that the government has, and that includes all government consideration of potential policies because of the way that can effect decisions, they are not operating on a level playing field. An opposition proposing things would be open to be criticised for not taking account of some information the government had but they didn't.

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2 hours ago, makapaka said:

Yes - but you shouldn’t subsequently criticise a decision or action taken if you have no alternative to propose.

 

That will doubtless be Johnson’s response for the next year or two whenever he is held to task,but there is no need at all for Labour to firm up any policies for the time being.

The next GE is some way off and circumstances will be very different at that time.

At the moment Starmer is quite right to highlight Government deficiencies in the hope that lessons have been learned before a second wave happens or a further pandemic or U.K. epidemic occurs.

This Government has the majority to pursue its policies and will stand or fall relative to its performance.

Thats politics.

 

 

[alchresearch]

Wrong-Daily finally deletes the tweet that got her sacked.

 

I wonder why the Guardian hasn't reported this?

[banjodeano]

1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

Wrong-Daily finally deletes the tweet that got her sacked.

 

I wonder why the Guardian hasn't reported this?

Were they antisemitic?

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3 hours ago, alchresearch said:

Wrong-Daily finally deletes the tweet that got her sacked.

 

I wonder why the Guardian hasn't reported this?

Apart from a few resolutely anti Labour papers (who'd report absolutely anything if it could be twisted to show Labour in a bad light) and one local to her constituency has any publication of note reported it?

 

Is it actually newsworthy?