The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Pettytom]

That’s really not a question. It is a clear statement 

[banjodeano]

Just now, Pettytom said:

That’s really not a question. It is a clear statement 

So he should back the party leadership??? What like they did him?

Why should he not? looks like s question to me  Tom..

5 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

That’s really not a question. It is a clear statement 

Ok Tom, if you say it is..

[Pettytom]

1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

So he should back the party leadership??? What like they did him?

Why should he not? looks like s question to me  Tom..

He should back the leadership because that’s his job. Starmer was elected to lead the party, Corbyn is a back bencher. If he doesn’t want to do his job, there are many others who will do it much better than him.

 

It is put up, or shut up time for Corbyn. He’s either with us, or against us. He’s got a decision to make. Based upon his time as leader, we could be a while waiting for him to make up his mind.

[banjodeano]

14 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

He should back the leadership because that’s his job. Starmer was elected to lead the party, Corbyn is a back bencher. If he doesn’t want to do his job, there are many others who will do it much better than him.

 

It is put up, or shut up time for Corbyn. He’s either with us, or against us. He’s got a decision to make. Based upon his time as leader, we could be a while waiting for him to make up his mind.

Corbyn doesnt owe any loyalty to starmer, he was one of the MP's that stabbed the twice elected leader in the back? why didnt starmer show Corbyn any loyalty? ...starmer got elected by claiming  he was going to  unite the party, and as far as i am concerned he has done nothing of the sort, he is doing his best to rid the party of left leaning supporters, and what was all that nonsense about getting rid of RLB on trumped up charges?

[Pettytom]

17 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Corbyn doesnt owe any loyalty to starmer, he was one of the MP's that stabbed the twice elected leader in the back? why didnt starmer show Corbyn any loyalty? ...starmer got elected by claiming  he was going to  unite the party, and as far as i am concerned he has done nothing of the sort, he is doing his best to rid the party of left leaning supporters, and what was all that nonsense about getting rid of RLB on trumped up charges?

Poor old Deano. The world has moved on and you don’t seem to have noticed.

 

Momentum getting confused with inertia. Who’d have thought it.

[banjodeano]

2 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Poor old Deano. The world has moved on and you don’t seem to have noticed.

 

Momentum getting confused with inertia. Who’d have thought it.

Ridicule and put downs are not a great way to respond,  if you dont wish to debate then i am cool with that, just scroll past my post, but dont lower yourself to making it personal...

[Pettytom]

5 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Ridicule and put downs are not a great way to respond,  if you dont wish to debate then i am cool with that, just scroll past my post, but dont lower yourself to making it personal...

There’s nothing personal there.

 

Really. 
 

There’s a better than average Physics joke, but it also makes a salient point.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Pettytom

[ECCOnoob]

1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

Corbyn doesnt owe any loyalty to starmer, he was one of the MP's that stabbed the twice elected leader in the back? why didnt starmer show Corbyn any loyalty? ...starmer got elected by claiming  he was going to  unite the party, and as far as i am concerned he has done nothing of the sort, he is doing his best to rid the party of left leaning supporters, and what was all that nonsense about getting rid of RLB on trumped up charges?

No but he does owe loyalty to his party.   

 

A party which, after already been  severely damaged by Corbyn's incompetence, stubbornness and questionable behaviour, he has now well and truly thrown back into the mire by opening his mouth.

 

Whatever the legal position that Corbyn 'thought' was right back when he was playing at being a leader - that party position has changed since the appointment of his successor. 

 

A successor I would argue who knows a damn sight more about the law than some long-term backbencher whose only real world experience was sorting paper clips out for a union and waving a few placards.

 

The party has made their decision to settle and publicly apologise.  The party are free to do so without any input from the old fart because he is no longer in charge.   He is a disgrace to be publicly shaming the party that he still wants to actively be part of despite most of those issues arising from his own incompetence and behaviour.  

 

All goes back to that courage that he 'supposedly' has.  If he doesn't like the decision then he should show some balls, stand down and go independent.  The longer he clings on the longer the damage will linger over the entire organisation.

 

Edited July 23, 2020 by ECCOnoob

[andyofborg]

44 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Corbyn doesnt owe any loyalty to starmer, he was one of the MP's that stabbed the twice elected leader in the back? why didnt starmer show Corbyn any loyalty? ...

if you are going to play the loyalty game then how about the loyalty corbyn showed to previous leaders? 

44 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

starmer got elected by claiming  he was going to  unite the party, and as far as i am concerned he has done nothing of the sort, he is doing his best to rid the party of left leaning supporters, and what was all that nonsense about getting rid of RLB on trumped up charges?

How would you unite the party? 

 

I appreciate you find this upsetting but the fact remains the electorate has consistently rejected what it considers to be very left parties for over 40 years. Blair understood this and changed the party and is still the most successful leader the party has ever had.  As much as this may upset you, he led a government which did lots of good and was quite lefty. Things like the minimum wage, sure start, devolution, all sorts of equality actions.  

 

You can have all the ideological purity you like, but the price will be never forming a government. The choice, as they say is yours....

 

[Arnold_Lane]

1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

Corbyn doesnt owe any loyalty to starmer, he was one of the MP's that stabbed the twice elected leader in the back? why didnt starmer show Corbyn any loyalty? ...starmer got elected by claiming  he was going to  unite the party, and as far as i am concerned he has done nothing of the sort, he is doing his best to rid the party of left leaning supporters, and what was all that nonsense about getting rid of RLB on trumped up charges?

The irony.  I recall a huge amount of desire during Corbyn’s tenure to rid the party of ‘Blairites.’