The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[the_bloke]

Listen, these are mainstream policies that work elsewhere in predominantly capitalist countries. It's not straight socialism. It's certainly not Marxism

 

That wasn't my point. My point was Corbyn's policies coming straight from the 1983 manifesto, to which you said they were nothing of the sort. They are. The man is a political dinosaur.

[drummonds]

Whose 'we', your other alter egos? You're raison d'etre seems to be hanging round this thread like a bad smell & baiting others.

Why not contribute something positive for a change, resurrect the Conservative Party thread - clearly that's where you feel comfortable

 

actually i'm quite happy posting on here and observing the labour party going down the pan, which is quite positive i would have thought. :clap: and the more it gets up your nose the better.

 

a bit of light reading for you.

 

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4552965.ece

Edited September 13, 2015 by drummonds

[poppet2]

The Tories were having secret talks with the IRA as far back as 1972. It took another 25 years to realise that talking was a better way of finding peace than bombing was.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/10/newsid_2499000/2499643.stm

 

 

Unbelievable! Yet there was Thatcher many years later who refused point blank to have anything to do with meeting or negotiating with the IRA, despite the fact that Whitelaw was a close colleague and part of her cabinet.

 

I remember a headline on the front page of one of the Daily newspaper's re. Ken Livingstone that said, 'And this idiot wants to talk with them'. (IRA). Typical right wing press. Ken was right after all, saying eventually they would have to get round the table.

 

In the end, jaw, jaw was the only way, whether people liked it or not.

[stressconsul]

Unabashed Corbyn supporter here. I would like to share a quote from Steve Hilton, former director of strategy for David Cameron:

"The establishment scratches its head: “How could …?” Well, let’s just check what the “serious” people have done for us lately: economic disaster with rewards for those who caused it and barely a gain for anyone else; foreign policy disaster with cack-handed interventions bringing instability and chaos; social disaster with poverty festering, family life foundering and inequality growing. If that’s what being “serious” gets you, no wonder people prefer the joker".

[the_bloke]

Unabashed Corbyn supporter here. I would like to share a quote from Steve Hilton, former director of strategy for David Cameron:

"The establishment scratches its head: “How could …?” Well, let’s just check what the “serious” people have done for us lately: economic disaster with rewards for those who caused it and barely a gain for anyone else; foreign policy disaster with cack-handed interventions bringing instability and chaos; social disaster with poverty festering, family life foundering and inequality growing. If that’s what being “serious” gets you, no wonder people prefer the joker".

 

He also goes on to say:

 

'Jeremy Corbyn’s answers may be wrong, but many of his questions are right. Instead of patronising his supporters, the insular ruling elite and their allies in big business and big finance should realise they are the cause of Corbyn. I doubt that Corbyn-led Labour will introduce the more human world I want to see: markets made more competitive; democracy made more local; families boosted as the bedrock of society. But you never know …'

 

Nice bit of sitting on the fence Mr. Hilton.

[poppet2]

Apparently the majority of people that voted for Corbyn were under 30. No wonder these are the people who have had to pay for their university fees at £9k a year, leave with £30k -£40k debts, can't get housing benefit for a one bedroom flat if under 35. Tories now want to stop all HB for under 25s next year, and will never afford to buy a home due to rents costing more than mortgages and therefore unable to save for a deposit. Yet their rent can pay for their landlord's mortgage. What a future for the next generation.

[I1L2T3]

That wasn't my point. My point was Corbyn's policies coming straight from the 1983 manifesto, to which you said they were nothing of the sort. They are. The man is a political dinosaur.

 

Like it or not the policies are textbook social democratic and deployed effectively in other European countries, notably Germany.

 

Maybe we got it wrong in the 80s after all

 

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He also goes on to say:

 

'Jeremy Corbyn’s answers may be wrong, but many of his questions are right. Instead of patronising his supporters, the insular ruling elite and their allies in big business and big finance should realise they are the cause of Corbyn. I doubt that Corbyn-led Labour will introduce the more human world I want to see: markets made more competitive; democracy made more local; families boosted as the bedrock of society. But you never know …'

 

Nice bit of sitting on the fence Mr. Hilton.

 

Sitting on the fence? By that you mean he's resisted the temptation to become hysterical over nowt?

 

What is really going on here. If Corbyn is such a no-hoper why all the attacks?

[drummonds]

Apparently the majority of people that voted for Corbyn were under 30. No wonder these are the people who have had to pay for their university fees at £9k a year, leave with £30k -£40k debts, can't get housing benefit for a one bedroom flat if under 35. Tories now want to stop all HB for under 25s next year, and will never afford to buy a home due to rents costing more than mortgages and therefore unable to save for a deposit. Yet their rent can pay for their landlord's mortgage. What a future for the next generation.

 

but weren't tuition a labour idea in the first place. i tell you, i would really be chocked off if i'd just done a university degree and emerged with £30k owing in tuition fees only to find that tuition fees were to abolished and as well as my own fees, i would have to contribute extra tax to pay everyone else's as well.

[RonJeremy]

Like it or not the policies are textbook social democratic and deployed effectively in other European countries, notably Germany.

 

Maybe we got it wrong in the 80s after all

 

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Sitting on the fence? By that you mean he's resisted the temptation to become hysterical over nowt?

 

What is really going on here. If Corbyn is such a no-hoper why all the attacks?

Because he is charismatic and good at convincing the naïve. His policies need to be shown up for what they are. We need to address them. Otherwise more naïve people will believe them.

[poppet2]

but weren't tuition a labour idea in the first place. i tell you, i would really be chocked off if i'd just done a university degree and emerged with £30k owing in tuition fees only to find that tuition fees were to abolished and as well as my own fees, i would have to contribute extra tax to pay everyone else's as well.

 

Yes it was a policy of New Labour. Corbyn opposed it.

 

Odd that the Blairites don't want to support Corbyn. Now perhaps they know how old Labour members felt when Blair changed the Labour Party to New Labour.