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[Blackbeard]

There is a verse to the NA that we never hear now which may make a comeback.

"Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,

May by thy mighty aid,

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

and like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush,

God save the King."

[Flanker7]

3 paragraphs from Eric Arthur -

 

1- "It isn't different. The National Anthem is symbolic. The words are symbolic. You'd be a bit daft to think that it was anything else. Moreover, the National Anthem is a symbol of respect to the nation, its history, its achievements and sometimes the people who served and fell while representing it."

 

2 - "Not singing the NAtional Anthem at the Battle of Britain remembrance shows a lack of respect to those people. Corbyn is bang on form though as he's apparently refusing to confirm that he will wear a red poppy at the Cenotaph this year and his colleagues suspect that he will wear a white one."

 

3 - "The more we hear the more it all seems to be about him and his personal principles, right or wrong, it's Jez's way or no way. That's a terrible way to lead so he'll probably not get the chance to be at the Cenotaph."

 

1- A matter of opinion- that I don't agree with.

2- A matter of opinion - that I don't agree with.

3- Just plain wrong x 3-

a) Parroting the popular press who are trying to trivialise the debate.

b) Attributing opinions to somebody which they haven't expressed.

c) Plain wrong , the leader of the opposition will get the chance to be at the Cenotaph.

 

PM 's question time today will be a better guide to his style as an opposition leader. I bet the red faced blustering bully will get loads of raucous insulting support from his pack of hounds. Unfortunately the civilised, calm and thought provoking response will be seen as weakness and mocked by the right wing press and plenty on here.

Edited September 16, 2015 by Flanker7

[Eric Arthur]

There is a verse to the NA that we never hear now which may make a comeback.

"Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,

May by thy mighty aid,

Victory bring.

May he sedition hush,

and like a torrent rush,

Rebellious Scots to crush,

God save the King."

 

That is yet another sop to the insecure Scots along with the Barnett Formula and no VAT on takeaways.

 

 

Another day, another Corbyn gaffe. He didn't read the chapter in the Politician's Handbook on "how not to be photographed looking like a Nazi" before addressing the TUC conference.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03440/corbyn-wave_3440834b.jpg

Edited September 16, 2015 by Eric Arthur

[harvey19]

Servicemen and women swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country.

Many airmen were killed and terribly wounded during the Battle of Britain and whose deeds made a difference in WW2.

Singing the National Anthem demonstrates the same loyalty that these airmen showed and an individual's respect for them.

[Blackbeard]

The papers have a long tradition of getting at the leader of the oposition at the Cenotaph.

"Michael Foot and the donkey jacket that wasn't

Michael Foot is often caricatured wearing a donkey jacket, a somewhat inaccurate reference to what was to become an infamous appearance at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday in 1981."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7361078/Michael-Foot-and-the-donkey-jacket-that-wasnt.html

[Eric Arthur]

That's the only thing that anyone remembers about Michael Foot though Blackbeard. Excuse the pun but he's become a footnote in history not a maker of history.

 

 

 

 

c) Plain wrong , the leader of the opposition will get the chance to be at the Cenotaph.

Corbyn will need to still be the leader of the opposition.

 

PMQ's today will be a car crash for Corbyn. Your "civilised, calm and thought provoking" old duffer will turn out to have nothing of substance to say beyond his personal principles. He'll be exposed as an empty vessel and the knives will be sharpened by his own people.

[Hogg]

Corbyn is both a patriot and a republican, as such he has no need to sing this foolish song. Rightwingers will say anything and everything to discredit him, regardless of truth. The breadth of his support can be seen in the 30,000 people who have joined the Labour Party since Corbyn was elected. The Rightwing are whistling loudly in the dark, trying to still their fear.

[L00b]

Servicemen and women swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country.

Many airmen were killed and terribly wounded during the Battle of Britain and whose deeds made a difference in WW2.

Singing the National Anthem demonstrates the same loyalty that these airmen showed and an individual's respect for them.

This is the 21st century.

 

You're talking about concepts that are clearly alien to most these days.

 

Same with "patriotism" (dirty word), "duty" (WTF's that?), "personal responsibility" (to be avoided post-haste), <etc.>

 

Would it really have cost Corbyn that much political capital to partake in the UK's national anthem as a mark of respect for these British airmen? Considering he has accepted a Royal invitation to the Privy council?

 

It's not as if he (and everyone else, including well beyond the UK) hasn't been basking in the democratic freedom for the past 7 decades, that is these airmen's inheritance.

Corbyn is both a patriot and a republican, as such he has no need to sing this foolish song.

He clearly chose republicanism over patriotism through his deeds, however you feel about the condemnation (which isn't coming solely from the right of the political spectrum, by the way, far from it: see comments by Kate Green, a member of his own Shadow Cabinet!)

 

Perhaps a good war is what's needed to remind the many that democratic freedom has a cost, always had, and always will. History is currently repeating itself and, true to style, Corbyn looks to be an appeaser straight out of the Neville Chamberlain school of geopolitics.

 

It's certainly a minor issue in the grand scheme of all things political. It says much about the man, however. And it will have cost him dearly with the base electorate, which says much about his acumen.

Edited September 16, 2015 by L00b

[Berberis]

Of those that vote Labour, a fair number are royalists. Corbyn will lose a lot of support for being a republican.

[Guest]

 

Not singing the NAtional Anthem at the Battle of Britain remembrance shows a lack of respect to those people.

 

That's how you're choosing to view it but that's your prerogative.

 

Linking the singing of the "national anthem" to respecting/honouring/remembering the war dead says more about our silly society than it does about Jeremy Corbyn.

 

Not singing the national anthem shows you have no respect for the war dead.

 

Not buying mothers/fathers day cards/presents means you don't love your parents.

 

Not getting your partner a Valentines day gift means you don't love him/her.

 

Not buying tons and tons of Christmas presents for your kids makes you a mean parent.

 

All cobblers. We need to grow out of this tosh.