The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[blake]

seems I1L2T3 isn't quite up to speed with electoral dynamics.

 

in a bad Tory year, like 1997 and 2001, the Liberals do well. That is why they made such unprecedented gains in those elections - at the expense of the Tories.

 

but in a bad Liberal year, the boot is on the other foot, and the Tories do well. Hence, when 4.5 million Liberal votes went walkies in May, the Tories captured 24 Liberal seats. Labour only managed to capture 9. That is where the Tory majority came from.

[RonJeremy]

Where did the S Nationalists seats come from?

[drummonds]

Where did the S Nationalists seats come from?

 

 

good point.

it could be because folk in scotland want independence, but as they voted against independence it could be because they didn't want miliband's labour. they were ok with blair's labour, but miliband was too far to the left to appeal to middle of the road voters. so best idea is to move further to the left and finish the job.

[Flanker7]

They didn't vote Labour because they couldn't stand to vote for a party that shared a platform with the hated southern conservatives. Cameron played the demonisation of the SNP big time, to save the Union??? The result is the strongest SNP representation ever and an increased chance of the break up of the Union.

 

But he's now the PM and he doesn't care.

Just like Randolf Churchill before him and we are still paying the price of that betrayal. But they are in power and they don't care.

 

I'm now looking forward to some inane, irrelevant, insulting response from d's

Edited September 22, 2015 by Flanker7

[Happ Hazzard]

Labour really need to get their strategy together before the next election. Figure out who they need to get to vote to them to win seats, and find out what would make these people vote for Labour. At the moment they seem to be just trying to appeal to people who will already vote for them, or to people that likely won't bother voting at all. Labour cannot win if they are a party appealing to only professional benefits recipients, immigrants and public sector workers. They need to appeal to working people on lower than average wages. If you can get 75% of these people voting Labour, that's the election in the bag. But they need to listen to what people tell them that they want, instead of deciding what they want and then trying to persuade people that it's good for them. Immigration is the #1 thing they need to sort out, I'm absolutely convinced that an anti-immigration Labour party would walk the next election, regardless of who the party leader was.

[Eric Arthur]

Labour really need to get their strategy together before the next election. Figure out who they need to get to vote to them to win seats, and find out what would make these people vote for Labour. At the moment they seem to be just trying to appeal to people who will already vote for them, or to people that likely won't bother voting at all. Labour cannot win if they are a party appealing to only professional benefits recipients, immigrants and public sector workers. They need to appeal to working people on lower than average wages. If you can get 75% of these people voting Labour, that's the election in the bag. But they need to listen to what people tell them that they want, instead of deciding what they want and then trying to persuade people that it's good for them. Immigration is the #1 thing they need to sort out, I'm absolutely convinced that an anti-immigration Labour party would walk the next election, regardless of who the party leader was.

 

You ARE Peter Mandelson in conversation with Tony Blair and Alastair Campbell in 1995.

 

Appealing to what the majority of voters want would be a bitter pill for New Old Labour to swallow. Why won't people just comply and understand that New Old Labour is the right way for them, dammit.

[gomgeg]

Labour really need to get their strategy together before the next election. Figure out who they need to get to vote to them to win seats, and find out what would make these people vote for Labour. At the moment they seem to be just trying to appeal to people who will already vote for them, or to people that likely won't bother voting at all. Labour cannot win if they are a party appealing to only professional benefits recipients, immigrants and public sector workers. They need to appeal to working people on lower than average wages. If you can get 75% of these people voting Labour, that's the election in the bag. But they need to listen to what people tell them that they want, instead of deciding what they want and then trying to persuade people that it's good for them. Immigration is the #1 thing they need to sort out, I'm absolutely convinced that an anti-immigration Labour party would walk the next election, regardless of who the party leader was.

Spot on they're making the same mistake most politicians make.

When they don't get the voters onside the usual excuse is "we aren't getting the message across" not realising it's usually the wrong message.

[drummonds]

They didn't vote Labour because they couldn't stand to vote for a party that shared a platform with the hated southern conservatives. Cameron played the demonisation of the SNP big time, to save the Union??? The result is the strongest SNP representation ever and an increased chance of the break up of the Union.

 

But he's now the PM and he doesn't care.

Just like Randolf Churchill before him and we are still paying the price of that betrayal. But they are in power and they don't care.

 

I'm now looking forward to some inane, irrelevant, insulting response from d's

 

i don't need to. you insult your own intelligence quite well enough.

 

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Labour really need to get their strategy together before the next election. Figure out who they need to get to vote to them to win seats, and find out what would make these people vote for Labour. At the moment they seem to be just trying to appeal to people who will already vote for them, or to people that likely won't bother voting at all. Labour cannot win if they are a party appealing to only professional benefits recipients, immigrants and public sector workers. They need to appeal to working people on lower than average wages. If you can get 75% of these people voting Labour, that's the election in the bag. But they need to listen to what people tell them that they want, instead of deciding what they want and then trying to persuade people that it's good for them. Immigration is the #1 thing they need to sort out, I'm absolutely convinced that an anti-immigration Labour party would walk the next election, regardless of who the party leader was.

 

labour has become a party of protest. they allow activists and red flag wavers to elect their leader and wonder why the ordinary joe in the street doesn't identify with the lunacy.

[blake]

the Tories would dearly love Corbyn to get the gift of eternal life from somewhere and stay on as leader of the Labour party for all eternity.

[Vague_Boy]

'm absolutely convinced that an anti-immigration Labour party would walk the next election, regardless of who the party leader was.

 

I'm absolutely convinced that any such pledge would be worthless.

 

The Conservatives made a pledge before the 2010 election to reduce net migration to less than 100,000 a year. How did that work out?

 

David Cameron immigration pledge 'failed spectacularly' as figures show net migration almost three times as high as Tories promised [The Independent, 26 February 2015]

 

Labour's record is even worse.

 

Labour 'Encouraged Mass Immigration To UK'

 

Labour ministers deliberately encouraged mass immigration to diversify Britain over the past decade, a former Downing Street adviser has claimed.

 

Andrew Neather said the mass influx of migrant workers seen in recent years was not the result of a mistake or miscalculation but rather a policy the party preferred not to reveal to its core voters.

 

He said the strategy was intended to fill gaps in the labour market and make the UK more multicultural, at the same time as scoring political points against the Opposition.

 

Mr Neather worked as a speechwriter for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett.

 

"Mass migration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural," he wrote in in the London Evening Standard.

 

LINK

 

And if you don't believe Andrew....

 

Labour 'sent out search parties for immigrants', Lord Mandelson admits

 

The former Cabinet minister confirmed for the first time that New Labour not only welcomed but actively encouraged that mass influx of migrants.

 

Earlier this year Ed Miliband admitted that the last Labour government was not “sufficiently alive to people's concerns” over immigration and his party got “the numbers wrong”.

 

But the party leader stopped short of admitting that immigration was too high.

 

Between 1997 and 2010, more than 2.2 million immigrants came to the country - more than twice the population of Birmingham – with the annual net figure quadrupling during their time in office.

 

LINK

 

"with the annual net figure quadrupling during their time in office". Why on earth should anyone trust any Labour or Conservative election promises in this area?