The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[I1L2T3]

Yes the NHS is good. That has nothing to do with nationalisation, overspending beyond our means and exessive taxation. They seem to be paying for the police and health care quite well despite having to cope with the massive budget deficit left behind by the last labour government and the £30 billion per year paying interest on the borrowing. That was the result of a moderate labour administration. That's why folk won't vote for an extremist like Corbyn.

 

Big state is where government involves itself in all manner of things it doesn't need to be involved in. Such as nationaling steel, nationalising coal. But that is the socialist way.

 

Be careful when talking about the deficit. We've been told that the economy is healthy and strong again. But the deficit is climbing again - You can't blame that on Labour.

 

There's no steel or coal industry to nationalise any more, or at least the scale of them is so small now it would hardly cause a blip in the national finances even if it did happen.

[foxy lady]

Be careful when talking about the deficit. We've been told that the economy is healthy and strong again. But the deficit is climbing again - You can't blame that on Labour.

 

There's no steel or coal industry to nationalise any more, or at least the scale of them is so small now it would hardly cause a blip in the national finances even if it did happen.

 

The UK deficit has been halved since Labour were kicked out of office. It isn't something that would have happened had they remained in power, and that would have added a massive burden to the £30 billion the country pays annually just to pay interest on the debt. Labour's policy is to borrow, borrow and borrw some more and not worry about how it will be paid back.

 

I'm not really concerned about there being no coal industry to nationalise. Every ton of coal dug out of the ground cost us a fortune in subsidies. It was a blot on the landscape and the fuel ruined the climate. We don't need to mine coal, and we don't need every industry in the land being uncompetitive by having to pay for it. We have record levels of employment. We no longer need to send folk underground to dig for coal.

 

The same pretty much applies to steel. My current car is mostly aluminium. The steel the scottish government bought to build the Forth Bridge was imported. We don't need the jobs when we have to bring in labour from Poland to fill them.

 

When Britain had a nationalised car maker (British Leyland), the British people wouldn't buy the cars they made. The British people even choose to buy foreign made cars when there are UK manufacturers who use UK steel. Years ago folk chose to buy Korean cutlery rather than Sheffield made items using UK steel.

 

If it is Labour policy to scrap Trident, renationalise failed industries, and go back to massive borrowing I'm trully glad they won't get back into power for a decade or more.

Edited January 10, 2016 by foxy lady

[I1L2T3]

The UK deficit has been halved since Labour were kicked out of office. It isn't something that would have happened had they remained in power, and that would have added a massive burden to the £30 billion the country pays annually just to pay interest on the debt. Labour's policy is to borrow, borrow and borrw some more and not worry about how it will be paid back.

 

I'm not really concerned about there being no coal industry to nationalise. Every ton of coal dug out of the ground cost us a fortune in subsidies. It was a blot on the landscape and the fuel ruined the climate. We don't need to mine coal, and we don't need every industry in the land being uncompetitive by having to pay for it. We have record levels of employment. We no longer need to send folk underground to dig for coal.

 

The same pretty much applies to steel. My current car is mostly aluminium. The steel the scottish government bought to build the Forth Bridge was imported. We don't need the jobs when we have to bring in labour from Poland to fill them.

 

When Britain had a nationalised car maker (British Leyland), the British people wouldn't buy the cars they made. The British people even choose to buy foreign made cars when there are UK manufacturers who use UK steel. Years ago folk chose to buy Korean cutlery rather than Sheffield made items using UK steel.

 

If it is Labour policy to scrap Trident, renationalise failed industries, and go back to massive borrowing I'm trully glad they won't get back into power for a decade or more.

 

Problem is Foxy the deficit was supposed to have been eliminated by now so you can't really bang on about interest payments when Osborne's failure to stick to his own plan is going to cost us tens of billions in extra interest payments.

[unbeliever]

Problem is Foxy the deficit was supposed to have been eliminated by now so you can't really bang on about interest payments when Osborne's failure to stick to his own plan is going to cost us tens of billions in extra interest payments.

 

Fixing something more slowly than you'd hoped is still an improvement on breaking it in the first place.

[foxy lady]

Problem is Foxy the deficit was supposed to have been eliminated by now so you can't really bang on about interest payments when Osborne's failure to stick to his own plan is going to cost us tens of billions in extra interest payments.

 

I agree it isn't reducing as quickly as planned. It isn't that surprising when the rest of the world is teetering on another recession. But just imagine what sort of a myre we would be in if Brown had won the election in 2010 and just carried on with the out of control spending only to be confronted with the same world economic situation. The Greek model springs to mind. What a pity Brown got us in it in the first place. The clear up operation isn't as easy as crashing the bus.

Edited January 10, 2016 by foxy lady

[Eric Arthur]

The 7 year world economic cycle is back to normal and there's little that Osborne can do to influence it, though I'm sure he'd be flattered to hear that some people in Sheffield think he can.

[I1L2T3]

The 7 year world economic cycle is back to normal and there's little that Osborne can do to influence it, though I'm sure he'd be flattered to hear that some people in Sheffield think he can.

 

Ah, I see now. Only Tory economic policies are allowed to be impacted by global economic problems. Disingenuous Eric.

[foxy lady]

Ah, I see now. Only Tory economic policies are allowed to be impacted by global economic problems. Disingenuous Eric.

 

Some politicians budget so that a downturn can be taken on the chin. Others like Brown spend regardless so the downturn leaves them out for the count. Which is why during these hard times we still have record levels of employment, zero inflation and growth of around 3%. You might have missed it as you don't follow the news or read the papers.

 

So should Labour deselect their highly respected MP for Barnsley, Michael Dugher, for being disloyal to their party idiot... sorry leader? Oh I'm sorry you aren't a Labour supporter are you?

Edited January 10, 2016 by foxy lady

[Eric Arthur]

Ah, I see now.

Except you don't.

[I1L2T3]

Some politicians budget so that a downturn can be taken on the chin. Others like Brown spend regardless so the downturn leaves them out for the count. Which is why during these hard times we still have record levels of employment, zero inflation and growth of around 3%. You might have missed it as you don't follow the news or read the papers.

 

So should Labour deselect their highly respected MP for Barnsley, Michael Dugher, for being disloyal to their party idiot... sorry leader? Oh I'm sorry you aren't a Labour supporter are you?

 

There is no way we would weather a similar economic storm as well now. Zero inflation is not good. We can talk about record levels of immigration, record levels of immigrants taking jobs, or about zero hours contracts if you like. Maybe we could also talk about record levels of personal debt or about generations priced out of becoming homeowners.

 

Yes I would expect Dugher to be at high risk of de-selection by his local party.

 

And no I don't vote Labour.

 

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Except you don't.

 

Oh I do. I can see very well.