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They have a credible leader, the members overwhelmingly voted for him, they wanted a socialist leader and now they have one,... the members had been denied any real choice for decades, they only let Corbyn on the ballot for a laugh, and now bitterly regret it, the members have spoken now they are given a voice

 

Sadly "the members" aren't the be all and end all. You also have the voting public and many Labour MPs who don't think he's credible, and that's why the party is split and will remain split for some time until there's another leadership challenge or Labour defeat.

But "the members" is a misleading term. Don't Trade Unions still carry a great weight of unknowing TU members' block votes?

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They have a credible leader, the members overwhelmingly voted for him, they wanted a socialist leader and now they have one,... the members had been denied any real choice for decades, they only let Corbyn on the ballot for a laugh, and now bitterly regret it, the members have spoken now they are given a voice

 

A credible leader :hihi::hihi::hihi: Its quiet on here tonight

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If Labour had a credible PM waiting in the wings Anna, I think Saint Jeremy would be toast. In that scenario, who would you replace St Jeremy with, or do you think he is irreplaceable.

 

Angel1.

I agree with Banjodeano; I think Jeremy Corbyn is actually a very credible PM, (but he's not a saint...)

 

When you think about it he has already achieved more than you might credit.

 

In 3 short years he has turned the Labour party around, and changed its ethos, taking it back to its roots. All this in the face of the most forocious opposition from the Blairites, and the Establishment. When all were baying for blood, he stood firm, and was right to do so, surviving a challenge for leadership which he won with a huge increase in votes.

 

He has withstood the most contemptible vilification and attacks on his character, and an almost unprecidented vicious media frenzy, all with a quiet dignity and a steadfastness that speaks volumes about his character. All this because he passionately believes in what he stands for, and believes it's what a very large part of the electorate want too, but didn't have any representation. He's right.

 

He has increased Labour membership to more than 4 times that of the Tories, making Labour the biggest Party in Britain by a huge Margin, and the fastest growing in the Western World. He has single handedly reinvigorated Politics in this country, which were in the doldrums, and galvanised and inspired a whole generation of young people. He has had to find new methods of getting his message across using technology and social media, and while other parties are bogged down in the past, he is the only leader who seems to recognise how quickly the world is changing and how different the future will be. We have to think long term but act now to keep up.

 

He, and colleagues, have formulated a very favorable manifesto with policies that have so chimed with the public, that the troubled Tories have even had to change some of their own policies to Labour ones (though of course they take credit for them,) and water down the rest, so worried are they that their hardline policies will lose them the next election.

So his influence on politics is making an impact even though he is not directly in power.

 

He is not the Messiah, he doesn't have the answer to everything, he will make mistakes, but he has no ego. He is an excellent listener, a good negotiator, a pragmatist, and he has a clear vision for the future. And above all, he is totally genuine in that he wants to help the ordinary people of Britain who have worked long and hard for this country, with little reward. When he says 'For the many, not the few.' he means it.

 

So yes, not OxBridge, not a blue blood, not held back by tradition and the past, and not what we're used to, but I think a very credible PM.

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I agree with Banjodeano; I think Jeremy Corbyn is actually a very credible PM, (but he's not a saint...).

Sorry to burst the red army bubble but he isnt the PM. Try "I think Corbz could be a very credible PM" (and then describe how any PM is credible)

 

 

 

 

He has increased Labour membership to more than 4 times that of the Tories, making Labour the biggest Party in Britain by a huge Margin, and the fastest growing in the Western World..

 

Membership does not increase votes. If you have 4 times as many members then why did Labour lose the election. Tre entire Labour membership is less than 3% of the voting population. Useless stat.

 

He has single handedly reinvigorated Politics in this country, which were in the doldrums, and galvanised and inspired a whole generation of young people. He has had to find new methods of getting his message across using technology and social media, and while other parties are bogged down in the past, he is the only leader who seems to recognise how quickly the world is changing and how different the future will be. We have to think long term but act now to keep up.

 

Describe what reinvigoration of politics he has done? Is it an increase in awareness of politics? How has he done this? The majority of political discussion at present is all about Breixt, something he definitely didn't do himself. It could be an increase in media coverage but at the moment that is mainly because of his historical comments leading to claims of anti-semitism in the party (still not signed up to the offical definition yet have they? ). It could be his single handiness of keeping the media gold that is Diane Abbott in the cabinet.

 

Would this be the generation of young people that he promised free tution to just in time to get an extra vote at the last election only to then admit that it was not possible to do once they had lost the election and remained the opposition not the ruling party.

If he is so quick to see how the world is changing why is he trying to go back to the 70's?

 

He, and colleagues, have formulated a very favorable manifesto with policies that have so chimed with the public, that the troubled Tories have even had to change some of their own policies to Labour ones (though of course they take credit for them,) and water down the rest, so worried are they that their hardline policies will lose them the next election.

So his influence on politics is making an impact even though he is not directly in power..

 

He's not in power full stop. He is the current leader of the opposition, he's in no different place than William Hague and Ed Milliband used to be and look how useless they were.

 

He is not the Messiah, he doesn't have the answer to everything, he will make mistakes, but he has no ego. He is an excellent listener, a good negotiator, a pragmatist, and he has a clear vision for the future. And above all, he is totally genuine in that he wants to help the ordinary people of Britain who have worked long and hard for this country, with little reward. When he says 'For the many, not the few.' he means it.

If he has no ego then why have so many people resigned from the cabinet or been thrown out if they don't agree with Red Jez and then replaced with momentum cronies? (including Rotherham's own Sarah Champion who was removed for daring to speak out over the grooming scum)

What clear vision does he have? What exactly are Labours plans? Re-nationalise everything and go back to the 70's because that really worked if you fancied a 3 day working week.

 

So yes, not OxBridge, not a blue blood, not held back by tradition and the past, and not what we're used to, but I think a very credible PM.

there is a reason why the electorate are not used to him, its not 1974 anymore, the world has moved on. Whilst I may admit that he has helped boost Labour's popularity within its membership (despite all the in-fighting in the party at present and making false election claims to get votes, but thats just politics in general so he is no different to any other leader/political party. I respect your devotion and opinion of Red Jez but if you are going to post this blind rhetoric then expect it to be evidence challenged

 

oh and.........HE'S NOT THE PM! Look at it any way you want but he sits on the opposite end of the House of Commons to the ruling party. Even the bookies think Boris is a more credible future PM then Jezza.

And before the red mist descends and you start calling me a Tory please read my other posts in this thread.

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He has increased Labour membership to more than 4 times that of the Tories, making Labour the biggest Party in Britain by a huge Margin, and the fastest growing in the Western World.

 

So, nothing to do with Ed Miliband's £3 membership then?

 

Always keen to attract new members, under Ed Miliband the party decided to open up future leadership contests by giving an equal vote to members, affiliates and supporters. This last group included anyone who would pay £3, with the caveat that they had to support the party’s principles. Crucially, it allowed these people to join even after the contest had begun.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/20/labour-membership-jeremy-corbyn-purge

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