The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Jim Hardie]

I'm not sure wearing an anorak (at least it didn't the north face splashed all over it I suppose) says he isn't showing respect but I did have a little chuckle to myself when I saw it. Spare a thought for his PR team. "Jeremy it's sodding anorak!!!" "I thought it might rain" "well none of the other polticians are wearing one" "it is black though. And if it rains can I put the hood up?"

 

......"I don't see what's wrong with it. If Mr Trump had one, he could have gone to the cemetery."

[Top Cats Hat]

 

All they can do is basically keep their heads down and hope to make some political capital when it all goes Pete Tong.

 

They will struggle to do that.

 

Corbyn withdrew completely from the referendum campaign (as did Teresa May, to be fair).

 

After the referendum Labour, said that they would support Cameron's promise to leave the EU.

 

In 2017 Labour campaigned on a manifesto promise to leave the EU.

 

In 2017 Labour supported the triggering of Article 50 in Parliament.

 

In 2018 Labour rejected a call for a second referendum despite the majority of members being in favour.

 

When Brexit all comes on top, Labour will absolutely be seen as culpable and will make no political capital out of it.

[Jonny5]

^Jeremy wanted to trigger article 50 on the 24th June 2016. He was absolutely raring to go.

 

https://labourlist.org/2016/06/corbyn-article-50-has-to-be-invoked-now/

[woodview]

Like I say, it's not their problem. Who called the referendum in the first place?

 

At the time of the Article 50 votes, it was down to the Tory remainers to show some backbone, not Labour.

Labour had plenty of opportunities to be have a strong Remain position if that's what they believed. In the 2017 GE, they could have took a Remain line, but didn't, only the libdems did, they could have tried to block A50 etc but didn't.

And for all Labours huffing and puffing, they don't have a Brexit policy, they only critisise the Governments handling of it. Cameron and Osborne were in charge at the time of the referendum and were ardent Remainers. Then May who is actually a Remainer too was the only one who would pick up the gauntlet and say, 'i didn't vote for it, but that's what was asked for, so I'll try to do it' . As much as I disagree with things she's done, I have more respect for her, than the Labour front bench who in reality would deliver much less.

[tinfoilhat]

Labour had plenty of opportunities to be have a strong Remain position if that's what they believed. In the 2017 GE, they could have took a Remain line, but didn't, only the libdems did, they could have tried to block A50 etc but didn't.

And for all Labours huffing and puffing, they don't have a Brexit policy, they only critisise the Governments handling of it. Cameron and Osborne were in charge at the time of the referendum and were ardent Remainers. Then May who is actually a Remainer too was the only one who would pick up the gauntlet and say, 'i didn't vote for it, but that's what was asked for, so I'll try to do it' . As much as I disagree with things she's done, I have more respect for her, than the Labour front bench who in reality would deliver much less.

 

Corbyns view on brexit is very different from most of his Mps which are in turn different to alot of their traditional working class voters. Had they been in office I bet they'd be in an even worse state. That said, corbyn has a plan, in his own mind at least - full steam ahead socialism and nationalisation. Whether he can get his party on side is a different matter.

[woodview]

Corbyns view on brexit is very different from most of his Mps which are in turn different to alot of their traditional working class voters. Had they been in office I bet they'd be in an even worse state. That said, corbyn has a plan, in his own mind at least - full steam ahead socialism and nationalisation. Whether he can get his party on side is a different matter.

I think you're right, and Labour are as divided as the tories on it. They don't have a policy on it. They would have been better allowing a free debate on the whole thing and working across party lines. Unfortunately in politics the silly boys and girls can't do that.

[tinfoilhat]

I think given half a chance, a big majority and free from the shackles of the EU, yes he'd nationalise transport, utilities - as much as is feasible. But I'm not sure the entire economy needs to under government control to be socialist. I'm not sure what the dictionary says.

[woodview]

I think given half a chance, a big majority and free from the shackles of the EU, yes he'd nationalise transport, utilities - as much as is feasible. But I'm not sure the entire economy needs to under government control to be socialist. I'm not sure what the dictionary says.

He probably would, but would that really help the working class, or the poorer classes? The people I know, who come from working class backgrounds, myself included, seem to be on a different wavelength to Corbyns thinking. I know older people who have been labour voters throughout their family history who won't vote for him. I think he thinks he speaks for working people, but doesn't actaully know what that means in reality.

[Top Cats Hat]

He probably would, but would that really help the working class, or the poorer classes?

 

How could it not help if it was owned by the people for the benefit of the people and not the shareholders.

 

A no brainier, surely?

[woodview]

How could it not help if it was owned by the people for the benefit of the people and not the shareholders.

 

A no brainier, surely?

Would utility bills be cheaper? Or would it be a state sponsored money pit? What is the cost to get them back? State ownership is great in principle, but historically in the uk, it has had big issues. Far from a no brainer.