The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[woodview]

3 hours ago, AlexAtkin said:

That's how democracy is SUPPOSED to work!  The members voted for Corbyn and his policies, so yes MPs that undermine him SHOULD be kicked out.  There's a BIG difference between constructive criticism and undermining the leader btw, nobody should be thrown out for the former.

Refusing to leave after a no confidence vote is undemocratic, plain and simple.  That alone contradicts your claim of her being "a good MP".

Honestly, people moan about SCC making a mess of things and then when the party tries to get rid of the sort of people who caused it, they complain about that too.  There is no pleasing some people.

Not really, the mp was elected to parliament by their constituents, under the leadership and manifesto at that time. 

Swap candidates at the next election.

[Robin-H]

4 hours ago, AlexAtkin said:

That's how democracy is SUPPOSED to work!  The members voted for Corbyn and his policies, so yes MPs that undermine him SHOULD be kicked out.  There's a BIG difference between constructive criticism and undermining the leader btw, nobody should be thrown out for the former.

Refusing to leave after a no confidence vote is undemocratic, plain and simple.  That alone contradicts your claim of her being "a good MP".

Honestly, people moan about SCC making a mess of things and then when the party tries to get rid of the sort of people who caused it, they complain about that too.  There is no pleasing some people.

No that is not how democracy works at all. 

We vote for our MP.  We don't vote for the leader of the party. 

[tinfoilhat]

5 hours ago, AlexAtkin said:

That's how democracy is SUPPOSED to work!  The members voted for Corbyn and his policies, so yes MPs that undermine him SHOULD be kicked out.  There's a BIG difference between constructive criticism and undermining the leader btw, nobody should be thrown out for the former.

Refusing to leave after a no confidence vote is undemocratic, plain and simple.  That alone contradicts your claim of her being "a good MP".

Honestly, people moan about SCC making a mess of things and then when the party tries to get rid of the sort of people who caused it, they complain about that too.  There is no pleasing some people.

But corbyn has spent his career kicking against the labour leadership, now he's got the top job everyone has to tow the line? Cobblers.

[AlexAtkin]

24 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

But corbyn has spent his career kicking against the labour leadership, now he's got the top job everyone has to tow the line? Cobblers.

He was never really in a position to do any damage though was he.

This is purely about her doing what is best for her constituents, and the best thing would be to get a Labour government. 

Undermining the party right now is stabbing yourself in the back.

[sheffbag]

12 hours ago, AlexAtkin said:

He was never really in a position to do any damage though was he.

This is purely about her doing what is best for her constituents, and the best thing would be to get a Labour government. 

Undermining the party right now is stabbing yourself in the back.

Ah so when King Jez was doing it as an MP it was ok.

When anyone else does it to him, its not.  Lets be honest, she isn't really doing any more damage than he did is she? The only difference is that previous leaders didn't send people to try and have him removed.

She is doing the best thing (in your opinion) as she is the Labour MP. She cannot influence other areas or add MP's to Labour's total. 

The only way Labour can ever get into government is to have more MP's. Doing something like this gets noticed nationally as a negative against Labour as a whole. If they had just left her alone then no-one would have noticed and it would have been tomorrow's chip shop paper. When you have the likes of Chakka giving her his support and saying it's ridiculous, it makes Labour look awful.

Thats Jez's goon squad's fault, not hers. they are the ones making the noise by publicly removing anyone who goes against him. 

He's stabbing himself in the back at a national level and, as other MP's have said, giving the Tories a clear shot to aim at. If he was a true man of the people (you know, the "for the many") then he would actively welcome any criticism as it would show that the Labour Party is for everyone whether you may disagree with certain policies or not, That would be a much more positive point than giving the Conservatives ammo

Exactly what actions are undermining the party?

And should Labour throw out Chakka for supporting her?

 

Edited November 21, 2018 by sheffbag

[Doubtful]

I lived in Liverpool in the 80s when Militant Tendency took control.

 

 

I'm getting deja vu.?

[alchresearch]

2 hours ago, Doubtful said:

I lived in Liverpool in the 80s when Militant Tendency took control.

 

 

I'm getting deja vu.?

It gets worse:

Exclusive: Derek Hatton is back in the Labour Party - 33 years after he was kicked out

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/exclusive-derek-hatton-back-labour-15210254

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On ‎11‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 9:46 PM, AlexAtkin said:

He was never really in a position to do any damage though was he.

This is purely about her doing what is best for her constituents, and the best thing would be to get a Labour government. 

Undermining the party right now is stabbing yourself in the back.

Let me get this right.  When Corbyn was voting against the labour party leadership by voting with the conservatives on no fewer than 400 occasions, dissent against the party leadership is fine.

 

But when any other Labour MP dissents against Corbyn, they must be kicked out?

 

Seriously . .this is Corbynista cultism gone mad.  

 

Thankfully, Corbyn is now Dear Leader and managing to make the Labour Party wholly unelectable again, despite facign the worst conservative government in modern history. That takes a lot of incompetence.

[alchresearch]

John McDonnell accused of 'hatred' after saying he would never be friends with a Tory

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-mcdonnell-accused-of-hatred-as-labour-shadow-chancellor-says-he-would-never-be-friends-with-a-a3996771.html

 

Stubborn to the end. 

[steve68]

25 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

John McDonnell accused of 'hatred' after saying he would never be friends with a Tory

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-mcdonnell-accused-of-hatred-as-labour-shadow-chancellor-says-he-would-never-be-friends-with-a-a3996771.html

 

Stubborn to the end. 

Not just him, Sheffield Greens have a similar stance.