The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Robin-H]

Just now, Top Cats Hat said:

They are not even obliged to do that either.

 

How many catholic MPs have opposed their parties' election promises on abortion or sex education in schools?

They might not be obliged to, but they should, and I believe that there is an expectation that they will. 

[tinfoilhat]

1 minute ago, Robin-H said:

They might not be obliged to, but they should, and I believe that there is an expectation that they will. 

Then why did people keep voting for corbyn when he was aback bencher, or skinner for that matter. 

[geared]

32 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

MPs should support the manifesto that they stood for and were elected on. 

What about the ever increasing numbers leaving the main parties and joining the Independent Group?

What about those who've been chucked out of their party?

Edited February 26, 2019 by geared

[Robin-H]

15 minutes ago, geared said:

What about the ever increasing numbers leaving the main parties and joining the Independent Group?

What about those who've been chucked out of their party?

Probably a by-election. If you no longer support the manifesto that you stood for and won the election because of then it doesn't really seem fair that you can still represent the people that voted for you without going back and asking whether they still want you to represent them. 

[Fudbeer]

If there has to be a second vote it should be hard or soft Brexit, remain should not be an option as it has already been voted on.

[Top Cats Hat]

4 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

If you no longer support the manifesto that you stood for and won the election because of then it doesn't really seem fair that you can still represent the people that voted for you without going back and asking whether they still want you to represent them. 

That is precisely the point Emily Thornberry was making last Saturday when she said that the 7 defecting Labour MPs had all been elected, some with increased majorities, by standing on Labour's 2017 manifesto.

 

They didn't resign from the party as individuals but as a group with a common aim and as such should face their electorates although there's no constitutional requirement for them to do that.

[apelike]

2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Explain to me how a second referendum would be undemocratic if everyone is allowed to vote in it?

Because the democratic result of the last one has not been carried out yet, until that democratic process has been done and finalised then holding another is undemocratic. Dont forget that not everyone will be allowed to vote again.

 

Corbyn is just changing stance not because he thinks it right but because he needs now to save face to keep himself as Leader.

Edited February 26, 2019 by apelike

[melthebell]

8 minutes ago, Fudbeer said:

If there has to be a second vote it should be hard or soft Brexit, remain should not be an option as it has already been voted on.

As ive already said, it was all based on lies and mistruths previously, it should include remain but it should be more in depth, theres too many differences of opinion on leave for just remain or leave

[Hotmale 1954]

Should the Tories ever get voted in again, I'm going to form a group that will NEVER accept the vote and I'll demand we get another vote and, if necessary another vote and, if necessary another vote and votes 5, 6 and 7 'til we get what we want.

We voted out, and by 29th March, we should be out.

If not, I demand further Referendums 'til we get another 'out' result..

 

The Irish people were 'forced' to have a 2nd Referendum when they voted 'out' in the first one. They brought out all their 'stars' and big hitters to push for a 'In' 2nd Referendum which worked a treat for the Toffs , and Ireland remained.

The same happened in Holland and France too.

It stinks, it's wrong, it's undemocratic and it shouldn't happen.

 

Millions and millions of people in Europe, who are in the EU, wish they'd never joined the club, but their 'leaders' make damn sure they stay in it.

 

Mark my words, Ireland, Holland, Portugal and Italy will get out of the EU very soon after we leave (if Corbyn and the other dissenters don't ruin it) and if the leavers can keep their nerve.

Edited February 26, 2019 by Hotmale 1954

[Top Cats Hat]

32 minutes ago, Fudbeer said:

If there has to be a second vote it should be hard or soft Brexit, remain should not be an option as it has already been voted on.

Don't be ridiculous.

 

That wouldn't be a people's vote, it would just be a poll of leave supporters about what kind of Brexit they want.

 

What about the other 64% of the electorate who didn't vote to leave? Don't they get a say?