The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[banjodeano]

5 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

The issue is clearly with the level of support and solidarity with the Palestinians.

 

Its an issue with polarised opinions, and the more sensible people know that there is a fine line between criticising the Israeli government and descending into anti-religious rhetoric.

 

Too many Labour supporters don’t know where the line is. They think it’s open season.

there are no more jewish hating people in the labour party than there is in any other party. dont believe all the trash that the paid stooges of Israel say....yeah we are looking at you Mr Watson

7 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Talk to Jewish people and ask them. I only know two and they've been worried about it. Sheffield hasn't got a very big Jewish population but if you went to Manchester you'd probably get a very different answer. Labour are saying theyre doing loads to stop it (are they? If so what) and now you have Labour mps double downing on it saying we've done more than other parties and that other parties also have antisemitic problems (who?where? - specifics please).

 

As I said, given the fairly small number of Jews in this country he could say balls to the lot of them and hope he can fill the gap and it wouldn't cost him an election. But he's dithering.

of course they will, its never off the TV about anti semitism. you really ought to remind them that Corbyn has been on many protests and demos fighting their  corner, as was his mother before him when she stood up against Mosleys black shirts...shame you dont point that out

[banjodeano]

5 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Please show me some Tory examples of antisemitism. Racism in the Tory party? Loads - Boris Johnson partakes in covert racism/ant Muslim every other telegraph article. You could find tory grass roots tossing out a bit of homophobia as well without tryinv too hard.

 

Antisemitism? I know Corbyns backroom and PR teams are a byword for ineptitude but surely somebody could find something somewhere. 

 

Truth is, and other posters have said similar, a lot of Labour supporters are so far behind the Palestinian cause that accusations of antisemitism are worth the cost of pulling down Israel.

Anne Marie Morris: Tory MP has whip restored after racist remark

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42322022

Rosemary Carroll was suspended after sharing a post comparing an Asian to a dog, but rejoined the Tories as "votes were counted".

https://news.sky.com/story/appalling-cynicism-tories-control-council-by-reinstating-racist-woman-11359289

The Tories’ double standards: condemning racism in Barnet, yet overlooking it in Pendle

https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/05/conservatives-racism-pendle-anti-semitism-barnet-labour

 

how many do you want? you want me to find some more? its there if you look for it..!!!

[banjodeano]

5 hours ago, the_bloke said:

https://order-order.com/2019/03/01/local-labour-parties-jump-pro-chris-williamson-bandwagon/

 

Sheffield Hallam Labour party to write a letter asking for Williamson to be re-instated saying it's all '“establishment media” conspiracy promoting the idea that the Labour Party is institutionally anti-Semitic'

 

The 'establishment media' sobs story again.

 

In other news, the former Labour peer Lord Ahmed has been charged with underage rape dating from the 1970s.

could you explain to me what he actually said that was anti semitic?

[tinfoilhat]

6 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Anne Marie Morris: Tory MP has whip restored after racist remark

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42322022

Rosemary Carroll was suspended after sharing a post comparing an Asian to a dog, but rejoined the Tories as "votes were counted".

https://news.sky.com/story/appalling-cynicism-tories-control-council-by-reinstating-racist-woman-11359289

The Tories’ double standards: condemning racism in Barnet, yet overlooking it in Pendle

https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/05/conservatives-racism-pendle-anti-semitism-barnet-labour

 

how many do you want? you want me to find some more? its there if you look for it..!!!

Well you've found one antisemitism incident. Everyone knows a fair chunk of grassroots Tory activist are racist which is why I asked for antisemitism over racism. But you found one so fair play. Not sure why Labour high command aren't pointing it out though!

[Penistone999]

5 hours ago, the_bloke said:

Remember when Lord Ahmed was suspended for being anti semitic back in 2013 after his driving offence?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/mar/14/labour-suspends-muslim-peer-lord-ahmed

 

Miliband said: "There is no place for antisemitism in the Labour party, and frankly anybody who makes those kinds of comments cannot be either a Labour lord or a Labour member of parliament."

 

It's like nothing has changed isn't it.

 

with his past history, im surprised Communist Corbin hasnt  promoted him to his shadow cabinet . 

[banjodeano]

1 minute ago, tinfoilhat said:

Well you've found one antisemitism incident. Everyone knows a fair chunk of grassroots Tory activist are racist which is why I asked for antisemitism over racism. But you found one so fair play. Not sure why Labour high command aren't pointing it out though!

the Tory party has just as many racists in the party as Labour, i think you have been fooled by the media brainwashing...

 

 

[banjodeano]

7 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Well you've found one antisemitism incident. Everyone knows a fair chunk of grassroots Tory activist are racist which is why I asked for antisemitism over racism. But you found one so fair play. Not sure why Labour high command aren't pointing it out though!

Here you go....have a read then come back and argue your point 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conservative_Party

These are just a few.but plenty more to pick from...

In 2012, Conservative MP Aidan Burley was sacked from his role as ministerial aide because he organised a Nazi-themed stag do in 2011

During a 2013 row over Tottenham Hotspur fans' use of the slurs Yid and Yiddos, David Cameron defended the fans' use of the words, saying Spur's fans should not be prosecuted for using them

In May 2014, Conservative MP Patrick Mercer was recorded by journalist Daniel Foggo saying, during the course of an anecdote, that an Israeli soldier looked like a 'bloody Jew

[Anna B]

57 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Well you've found one antisemitism incident. Everyone knows a fair chunk of grassroots Tory activist are racist which is why I asked for antisemitism over racism. But you found one so fair play. Not sure why Labour high command aren't pointing it out though!

Labour don't really do tit for tat and don't go in for smears, they'd rather get on with their jobs than stoop to that level.  

 

I'm more interested why you and the media choose to focus on anti-semitism rather than racism, which surely affects a larger group of people in more direct ways, than anti-semitism. 

[Mister Gee]

4 hours ago, alchresearch said:

Ah, got the old Corbyn-Good, Watson-Bad glasses on again?

 

Why is he a "snake"?  Because he dares stand up to Corbyn?  Or because your fellow Corbyn worshippers have said to hate him?

 

Corbynites call on Tom Watson to resign with new Twitter campaign

https://labourlist.org/2018/08/corbynites-call-on-tom-watson-to-resign-with-new-twitter-campaign/

 

Steadfast?  Doesn't that mean unwavering and firm?  Remind me again what he said about a second referendum during the last election, and what he said last week.

 

No doubt you'll twist this into "listening to the will of the people".  But if it were a Tory you'd be screaming "U-turn, U-turn".

 

I can't understand what their fascination is with it.  I don't recall any of this business when Miliband, Brown or Blair were in charge.

 

Labour conference: Members fill hall with Palestinian flags

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45634379

It's your fascination that is fascinating. I hope for a reply from Tory HQ after 09.00 on Monday?

Edited March 1, 2019 by Mister Gee

[banjodeano]

1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

Well you've found one antisemitism incident. Everyone knows a fair chunk of grassroots Tory activist are racist which is why I asked for antisemitism over racism. But you found one so fair play. Not sure why Labour high command aren't pointing it out though!

By the way, isnt this the same thing? or is one slightly better than the other?