The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[WiseOwl182]

32 minutes ago, Anna B said:

 

 

I'm more interested why you and the media choose to focus on anti-semitism rather than racism, which surely affects a larger group of people in more direct ways, than anti-semitism. 

By the way, isn't this the same thing? Or is one slightly better than the other?

 

Edited March 1, 2019 by WiseOwl182

[banjodeano]

8 hours ago, the_bloke said:

https://order-order.com/2019/03/01/local-labour-parties-jump-pro-chris-williamson-bandwagon/

 

Sheffield Hallam Labour party to write a letter asking for Williamson to be re-instated saying it's all '“establishment media” conspiracy promoting the idea that the Labour Party is institutionally anti-Semitic'

 

The 'establishment media' sobs story again.

 

In other news, the former Labour peer Lord Ahmed has been charged with underage rape dating from the 1970s.

well it does make you wonder doesn't it..... do you think the party is institutionally racist?

 

Just over 1,100 allegations of anti-semitism were referred to the Labour HQ in the past 10 months, since procedures were stepped up to root out any racism in the party. Of these cases, 433 did not involve Labour members. And of the remaining 673 cases, 220 were thrown out due to a lack of evidence to back up the accusations.

This means that there were 453 reports of genuine anti-semitism - in a party of over half-a-million members. And of these cases, 96 resulted in suspensions, with a further 12 expulsions.

Of course, even one racist incident inside our party is one too many. There can be no place for racism and bigotry in our movement. But one swallow does not make a summer. And 453 incidents of anti-semitism in a party of 540,000 - a rate of less than 0.1% 

 

so would you class that as institutionally racist?

[Mister M]

Right on cue, a number of Tory politicians have been found to be running a pro Boris Johnson Facebook group which calls:

 

• Black people and immigrants '****', 'Muzrat blacks' and 'ragheads'
• They laugh about bombing Mosques
• shooting immigrants
• that black soldiers should '**** off back to Africa'
• a Polish person wanting advice about Universal Credit to '**** off back to Poland'
• Comparing immigrants to 'cockroaches'

https://evolvepolitics.com/excl-tory-politicians-are-running-a-vile-facebook-group-where-members-joke-about-bombing-mosques-and-shooting-immigrants/

 

No doubt, in the interests of fairness the BBC, and other supposedly impartial television networks will be covering this with the same thoroughness they are covering racism in the opposition party. And I expect Fiona Bruce to be all over the Conservative representative on next week's Question Time like rash, complaining about racism within their ranks.

But, there again, I won't hold my breath 

 

Edited March 1, 2019 by Mister M

[Baron99]

Watching an interview with former Lab MP, Luciana Berger, yesterday & the continuing allegations of anti-Semitism within the Lab Party, I was suddenly struck by a thought? 

 

In the aftermath of the Jo Cox murder the issue of abuse of MP's by members of the public both physically & verbally, in person & via social media came to light & we have seen police & court involvement resulting in a number of convictions.  Only the other day, a bloke was in court for threatening Anna Soubry. 

 

May be someone will tell me I'm wrong but with all these allegations flying around of anti-Semitism & other threats  & people being openly named, why aren't they being referred to the police to investigate, as I would expect to be the case, if  I'd have made any anti-Semitic jibe to member of the public or an MP? 

 

Why does it seem to be the case that all of this is being dealt with 'in house' with the only punishment being the threat of being thrown out if the Lab Party?  Surely any anti-Semitism allegations are one for the police & CPS to decide if a hate crime has taken place  & then the  courts to decide the level of appropriate punishment?  

Edited March 2, 2019 by Baron99

[Anna B]

2 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Watching an interview with former Lab MP, Luciana Berger, yesterday & the continuing allegations of anti-Semitism within the Lab Party, I was suddenly struck by a thought? 

 

In the aftermath of the Jo Cox murder the issue of abuse of MP's by members of the public both physically & verbally, in person & via social media came to light & we have seen police & court involvement resulting in a number of convictions.  Only the other day, a bloke was in court for threatening Anna Soubry. 

 

May be someone will tell me I'm wrong but with all these allegations flying around of anti-Semitism & other threats  & people being openly named, why aren't they being referred to the police to investigate, as I would expect to be the case, if  I'd have made any anti-Semitic jibe to member of the public or an MP? 

 

Why does it seem to be the case that all of this is being dealt with 'in house' with the only punishment being the threat of being thrown out if the Lab Party?  Surely any anti-Semitism allegations are one for the police & CPS to decide if a hate crime has taken place  & then the  courts to decide the level of appropriate punishment?  

Because it's being hyped up out of all proportion for political gain, and in the majority of cases the police have better things to do.

 

Jo Cox sadly was a different case and was dealt with appropriatelyby the police and CPS. 

 

And if they were to get involved in Labour's anti-semitism, they would also have to investigate Tory racist slurs such as those quoted by Mr M in post 7364.  

 

 

 

 

[banjodeano]

4 hours ago, Anna B said:

Because it's being hyped up out of all proportion for political gain, and in the majority of cases the police have better things to do.

 

Jo Cox sadly was a different case and was dealt with appropriatelyby the police and CPS. 

 

And if they were to get involved in Labour's anti-semitism, they would also have to investigate Tory racist slurs such as those quoted by Mr M in post 7364.  

 

 

 

 

without a doubt, and i think most people with half a brain can now join up the dots..

This is a good link from the Jewish voice for labour, about abuse allegations

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/blog/searching-truth-line-abuse-allegations/?fbclid=IwAR1wEYjwDYj89ytKTTthOcLG2TtIOOEQyv4PwKkCDYzU_aPDtKgKUyfNdXc

 

Over a six month period Diane Abbott received over 7500  abusive messages, whist any abuse aimed at a Jewish member was far far below that. 

so now you have to ask yourself the question, how come Tom Watson (who is receiving funds from Jewish donors incidentally) doesn't seem to get morally offended by the abuse Abbott is receiving? but he is on the TV night and day moaning that his own party is full of antisemitism.

Tom Watson is a stooge, how else could you explain his great enthusiasm to undermine his own party with such lack of evidence, he and quite a few of his colleagues are the enemy within, they prefer to see a Tory government rather than a socialist one.

[El Cid]

On 01/03/2019 at 19:22, banjodeano said:

the Tory party has just as many racists in the party as Labour, i think you have been fooled by the media brainwashing...

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I would say that Tories are more racist and judgemental, but Labour voters are more colourful with their language.

[hobinfoot]

2 hours ago, banjodeano said:

without a doubt, and i think most people with half a brain can now join up the dots..

This is a good link from the Jewish voice for labour, about abuse allegations

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/blog/searching-truth-line-abuse-allegations/?fbclid=IwAR1wEYjwDYj89ytKTTthOcLG2TtIOOEQyv4PwKkCDYzU_aPDtKgKUyfNdXc

 

Over a six month period Diane Abbott received over 7500  abusive messages, whist any abuse aimed at a Jewish member was far far below that. 

so now you have to ask yourself the question, how come Tom Watson (who is receiving funds from Jewish donors incidentally) doesn't seem to get morally offended by the abuse Abbott is receiving? but he is on the TV night and day moaning that his own party is full of antisemitism.

Tom Watson is a stooge, how else could you explain his great enthusiasm to undermine his own party with such lack of evidence, he and quite a few of his colleagues are the enemy within, they prefer to see a Tory government rather than a socialist one.

And this is the problem in a nutshell.Rather than deal with this problem you attack anyone who says there's is one.

[banjodeano]

9 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

And this is the problem in a nutshell.Rather than deal with this problem you attack anyone who says there's is one.

so okay, i will bite, what is the problem and where is your evidence of it?

 

[Top Cats Hat]

12 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Surely any anti-Semitism allegations are one for the police & CPS to decide if a hate crime has taken place  & then the  courts to decide the level of appropriate punishment?  

The problem is, is 99% + of ‘antisemitism’ allegations in the Labour Party are either pro-Palestinian or anti-Zionist or political attacks on the state of Israel.

 

None of these things are illegal and would not be dealt with by the police.