The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[melthebell]

being anti capitalist is now anti semitic?

https://nyebevannews.co.uk/labour-mp-siobhain-mcdonagh-to-be-anti-capitalism-is-to-be-anti-semitic/

[Top Cats Hat]

1 hour ago, melthebell said:

being anti capitalist is now anti semitic?

https://nyebevannews.co.uk/labour-mp-siobhain-mcdonagh-to-be-anti-capitalism-is-to-be-anti-semitic/

To be fair, she didn't actually say that. She said that if you were anti-capitalist and saw Jewish people as the financiers of capital then you would be anti-semitic.

 

As far as I know, the only people who believe in Jewish bankers conspiracy theories are the far right!

[melthebell]

1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said:

To be fair, she didn't actually say that. She said that if you were anti-capitalist and saw Jewish people as the financiers of capital then you would be anti-semitic.

 

As far as I know, the only people who believe in Jewish bankers conspiracy theories are the far right!

EXACTLY

[bendix]

22 minutes ago, melthebell said:

EXACTLY

I completely disagree.  The political and philosophical agendas - and the world views underpinning them - of the extreme right and extreme left are very very similar.

[Top Cats Hat]

4 hours ago, alchresearch said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/04/daughter-jeremy-corbyns-ally-moved-labour-complaints-unit-despite/

Can posters refrain from posting links to sources where you need to register to view them.

[melthebell]

3 minutes ago, bendix said:

I completely disagree.  The political and philosophical agendas - and the world views underpinning them - of the extreme right and extreme left are very very similar.

Not really, as i see it they are completely different.

 

The right wing has always been about race and being anti-semitic and a long held belief is that jews own all the worlds financial institutions. The left however have been against capitalism, the state etc.

 

Do the right wing want to bring down capitalism? or our financial institutions? or just extinguish jews? tbh i dont know right wing philosophy that well. Similarly i have never known any left wingers (anarchists, communists, socialists) that speak in terms of race or religion when talking about the philosophy of bringing down capitalism or the financial institutions, its more to do with class and wealth than race or religion.

[bendix]

15 minutes ago, melthebell said:

Not really, as i see it they are completely different.

 

The right wing has always been about race and being anti-semitic and a long held belief is that jews own all the worlds financial institutions. The left however have been against capitalism, the state etc.

 

Do the right wing want to bring down capitalism? or our financial institutions? or just extinguish jews? tbh i dont know right wing philosophy that well. Similarly i have never known any left wingers (anarchists, communists, socialists) that speak in terms of race or religion when talking about the philosophy of bringing down capitalism or the financial institutions, its more to do with class and wealth than race or religion.

Far too simplistic.  Look at America.  The far right believes in the disruption of the state, the financial system and the elites just as much as the far left do.  Both the far left and the far right are opposed to globalisation, and both hold the toxic view that the world is run by some kind of influential cabal - this, of course, is code for jews, and Soros and Rothschild.  Both are fervently pro-Brexit; both are essentially nationalistic, albeit for different reasons.  I subscribe to a lot of these extremist accounts because it's fascinating to see how closely aligned they are.  Often times it's impossible to tell if they are right or left wing.  Another common theme - both talk about the controlling aspect of the media - fake news etc.

 

It is important to note this is usually at the extremes.

 

Read up on extreme left wing icon Che Guevara for example. A virulent racist and homophobe.  His diaries are full of references to dirty blacks and sexual deviants.

 

Please dont confuse traditional conservatism with the far right.  They are poles apart.  

 

 

Edited March 5, 2019 by bendix

[Top Cats Hat]

27 minutes ago, bendix said:

The political and philosophical agendas - and the world views underpinning them - of the extreme right and extreme left are very very similar.

Really?

 

So the far left and far right have similar views on workers’s rights, racial equality, women’s rights, disabled rights, LBGTQ rights, wealth distribution, law and order, capital and corporal punishment, education, abortion rights, religion, education, free thinking, and democracy?

 

 I would say that their views are actually polar opposites. 🙄

[bendix]

7 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Really?

 

So the far left and far right have similar views on workers’s rights, racial equality, women’s rights, disabled rights, LBGTQ rights, wealth distribution, law and order, capital and corporal punishment, education, abortion rights, religion, education, free thinking, and democracy?

 

 I would say that their views are actually polar opposites. 🙄

On some of those issues (eg workers rights, religion, law and order and even race etc), yes absolutely.

 

Again, people need to get out of this 70s/80s zeitgeist of left v right wing thinking.   That is history. It no longer applies in its traditional sense.  The new political divide is around populism / nationalism on one side, and internationalism / traditionalism on the other.  

 

And the extreme left and extreme right sit firmly together in the former, both of them firmly at odds with the old world order.

 

Have Brexit and Trump taught us nothing?  

 

 

[alchresearch]

51 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Can posters refrain from posting links to sources where you need to register to view them.

Here you go:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-antisemitism-corbyn-laura-murray-a8807576.html

 

Although you could get the most of the story from the first link.

 

Is this what's called "deflection"?