The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Top Cats Hat]

44 minutes ago, Longcol said:

And as I've said I'm pretty sure any remain party  coalition winnning a GE will feel obliged (rightly IMHO) to hold another rederendum - I can't see them winning a GE without that promise.

If a Remain party or coalition wins a General Election, what on earth is the point of holding another referendum?

 

That makes no sense whatsoever.

[melthebell]

9 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

If a Remain party or coalition wins a General Election, what on earth is the point of holding another referendum?

 

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You don't know why they voted for a remain party, they could've for all sorts of reasons, unless you added an option on the slip but them it would also be a referendum

[Top Cats Hat]

2 minutes ago, melthebell said:

You don't know why they voted for a remain party, they could've for all sorts of reasons, unless you added an option on the slip but them it would also be a referendum

What is the #1 political issue facing the nation at the moment?

[melthebell]

2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

What is the #1 political issue facing the nation at the moment?

But it's still guesswork in guessing why people voted for a 'remain'party, not all might've due to Brexit, a referendum is the only way to gauge it correctly

[Top Cats Hat]

5 minutes ago, melthebell said:

But it's still guesswork in guessing why people voted for a 'remain'party, not all might've due to Brexit, 

If a political party stands on a manifesto pledge to revoke article 50, then if elected all they need to do is to revoke Article 50. Are you suggesting that every policy matter in a party’s manifesto is then retested in a referendum after the party wins an election? That’s not how our political system works.

 

Every single credible poll since 2016 has shown a clear majority in favour of remaining in the EU, the biggest and most comprehensive of those showing 55-56% in favour of remaining.

 

Why on earth waste more time on money on an exercise to find out what we already know? 😵

[Longcol]

12 minutes ago, melthebell said:

But it's still guesswork in guessing why people voted for a 'remain'party, not all might've due to Brexit, a referendum is the only way to gauge it correctly

Agree.

 

An outright commitment to remain could be a big vote loser whereas a commitment to  suspend article 50  pending outcome of a second referendum would appear far more attractive and inclusive.

[alchresearch]

11 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

b) Labour wins or forms a government with Lib Dems/SNP/Greens whatever.

 

The Lib Dems have made it clear they're not interested in a coalition with Labour.  Greens also have no time for Corbyn and I can't see the SNP joining them.

[melthebell]

53 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

If a political party stands on a manifesto pledge to revoke article 50, then if elected all they need to do is to revoke Article 50. Are you suggesting that every policy matter in a party’s manifesto is then retested in a referendum after the party wins an election? That’s not how our political system works.

 

Every single credible poll since 2016 has shown a clear majority in favour of remaining in the EU, the biggest and most comprehensive of those showing 55-56% in favour of remaining.

 

Why on earth waste more time on money on an exercise to find out what we already know? 😵

Not every party matter, just the one, it started with a referendum it should end with one, unless you're scared of the outcome

[Robin-H]

55 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

If a political party stands on a manifesto pledge to revoke article 50, then if elected all they need to do is to revoke Article 50. Are you suggesting that every policy matter in a party’s manifesto is then retested in a referendum after the party wins an election? That’s not how our political system works.

 

Every single credible poll since 2016 has shown a clear majority in favour of remaining in the EU, the biggest and most comprehensive of those showing 55-56% in favour of remaining.

 

Why on earth waste more time on money on an exercise to find out what we already know? 😵

I seem to remember the vast majority of votes in the 2017 election going to parties that stood on a manifesto to leave the EU. Why do you feel that election was not an election on Brexit but a new election would be? 

[Top Cats Hat]

1 hour ago, Robin-H said:

I seem to remember the vast majority of votes in the 2017 election going to parties that stood on a manifesto to leave the EU. Why do you feel that election was not an election on Brexit but a new election would be? 

You must have forgotten that in 2017, both major parties stood on a Leave manifesto so the majority of the electorate had no choice.