The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Mister Gee]

46 minutes ago, convert said:

Oh dear, looks like a Labour leader in a donkey jacket was more popular than Steptoe.

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/106687/jeremy-corbyn-most-unpopular

 

Is that your name for Corbyn?

[banjodeano]

1 hour ago, convert said:

Oh dear, looks like a Labour leader in a donkey jacket was more popular than Steptoe.

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/106687/jeremy-corbyn-most-unpopular

 

its not hardly surprising though is it, you can hardly say he has had fair representation by the press, and as we know most people usually believe everything that they read

[Robin-H]

7 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

its not hardly surprising though is it, you can hardly say he has had fair representation by the press, and as we know most people usually believe everything that they read

So it is surprising? 

 

I wondered how long it would take until someone came up with this argument. Nothing to do with his absolutely woeful and pathetic stance on Brexit, of course not! 

[banjodeano]

2 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

So it is surprising? 

 

I wondered how long it would take until someone came up with this argument. Nothing to do with his absolutely woeful and pathetic stance on Brexit, of course not! 

lets just put to one side for a moment Corbyn's brexit stance,  and lets also put to one side the other points where Corbyn has tried to fudge it....but i will ask you this, do you sincerely think that Corbyn has been fairly represented by the Tory owned media? or any media in fact? 

[Robin-H]

Just now, banjodeano said:

lets just put to one side for a moment Corbyn's brexit stance,  and lets also put to one side the other points where Corbyn has tried to fudge it....but i will ask you this, do you sincerely think that Corbyn has been fairly represented by the Tory owned media? or any media in fact? 

So you want me to put aside the main points of criticism? That hardly seems fair!

 

Media is biased. As soon as people realise that the better. Right wing media is biased against Corbyn. Left wing media is biased against Johnson. 

[banjodeano]

1 minute ago, Robin-H said:

So you want me to put aside the main points of criticism? That hardly seems fair!

 

Media is biased. As soon as people realise that the better. Right wing media is biased against Corbyn. Left wing media is biased against Johnson. 

And there we have it, you admit that Corbyn has not been given fair representation by the Tory owned media, which must be about 95% of the media outlet,  who can be really surprised that he is currently polling so low,?

it really is a sad state of affairs that the media get to choose who will be the leader of the opposition, hopefully if Corbyn does ever get to number 10, i would like to see him try and implement his ideas about sorting  out the problem of media bias that we currently have,surely true democracy can only be had when we have a level playing field?

[Robin-H]

16 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

And there we have it, you admit that Corbyn has not been given fair representation by the Tory owned media, which must be about 95% of the media outlet,  who can be really surprised that he is currently polling so low,?

it really is a sad state of affairs that the media get to choose who will be the leader of the opposition, hopefully if Corbyn does ever get to number 10, i would like to see him try and implement his ideas about sorting  out the problem of media bias that we currently have,surely true democracy can only be had when we have a level playing field?

Is the Guardian Tory owned, is the Independent (or i) Tory owned, is the mirror Tory owned.. Do those papers only represent 5% of media in the UK? 

 

People read newspapers that match their viewpoints. Whether you like it or not, the UK is a centre to centre right country, and so in order to sell more copies, newspapers buy into that viewpoint. That does not however mean that people with left wing views can't buy newspapers and consume media that match their opinions (the 3 newspapers mentioned above are case in point). If more people shared their views, they would sell more copies. 

 

It's called freedom of speech. I would be surprised if Corbyn wanted to restrict freedom of speech and prevent the media from reporting on things he doesn't want them to. That's dictator territory. 

[banjodeano]

16 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

Is the Guardian Tory owned, is the Independent (or i) Tory owned, is the mirror Tory owned.. Do those papers only represent 5% of media in the UK? 

 

People read newspapers that match their viewpoints. Whether you like it or not, the UK is a centre to centre right country, and so in order to sell more copies, newspapers buy into that viewpoint. That does not however mean that people with left wing views can't buy newspapers and consume media that match their opinions (the 3 newspapers mentioned above are case in point). If more people shared their views, they would sell more copies. 

 

It's called freedom of speech. I would be surprised if Corbyn wanted to restrict freedom of speech and prevent the media from reporting on things he doesn't want them to. That's dictator territory. 

I dont know who owns which media outlet, but the Gaurdian which is supposed to be a labour leaning Paper, often has anti Corbyn material content from what i have seen, as with the Mirror as well, labour leaning, but hey lets not lean too far to actually support socialist principles, just a  Blairite type of labour...

From this link here

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/five-reasons-why-we-don-t-have-free-and-independent-press-in-uk-and-what-we-can-do-about/

it says that six billionaires are majority voting shareholders for most of the UK national newspapers, it is unsurprising that they mostly supported the Conservatives in the last general election.

But anyway, we can get into facts and figures all day long, and you can argue that the Tories dont actually own 95% of the UK press all day long, but one thing that we can agree on is that we dont have a level playing field, the media is mostly owned by the Tories, and that Corbyn and labour doesnt have fair representation

[Mister Gee]

1 hour ago, Robin-H said:So it is surprising? 

 

I wondered how long it would take until someone came up with this argument. Nothing to do with his absolutely woeful and pathetic stance on Brexit, of course not! 

Brexit is a  family feud within the Tory party. 

[Longcol]

16 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

Brexit is a  family feud within the Tory party. 

For which we all suffer.