The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Ridgewalk]

1 hour ago, carosio said:

A comment his father Tony made sticks in my mind; just after Right-to-Buy was introduced, he said he felt depressed when knocking on the doors of ex-council houses when he saw the new owners had painted them a different colour from standard!

Yes that's right it was fundamental to Tony Benn that all front doors were the same colour. He had a chapter in a book devoted to the subject

[carosio]

1 hour ago, Ridgewalk said:

Yes that's right it was fundamental to Tony Benn that all front doors were the same colour. He had a chapter in a book devoted to the subject

I've read it, that's where the quote originated.

[melthebell]

8 hours ago, Ridgewalk said:

Ridiculous post. So now you're blaming Corbyn for Boris Johnson being Boris Johnson.

 

How people conveniently forget or choose to ignore the incessant and continued poisonous daily propaganda pumped out by the billionaire owned Media against Jeremy Corbyn

 

I canvassed in my local constituency for Labour and the things that people said on the doorstep were taken straight from the Sun, Star, Mail, Express etc. eg. " why is Corbyn letting on these terrorists out of prison"  In fact if the CIA had organised it, it would have been a brilliant " black ops" operation. It certainly worked well at pumping the narrative into the populace.

 

 

Yup, media manipulation on a massive scale to stop the red menace and protect the billionaires

[Halibut]

1 hour ago, melthebell said:

Yup, media manipulation on a massive scale to stop the red menace and protect the billionaires

If the gap between the filthy rich and the poor has done anything but grow wider in the next five years, I'll eat my hat.

[Baron99]

2 minutes ago, Halibut said:

If the gap between the filthy rich and the poor has done anything but grow wider in the next five years, I'll eat my hat.

Where did you get the money to waste on a hat? 

[BoroB]

2 hours ago, melthebell said:

Yup, media manipulation on a massive scale to stop the red menace and protect the billionaires

It's time for Labour to stop blaming others and take a long hard look at itself as to why voters in its heartlands are abandoning it.

 

It wasn't the media that opened the borders without any considerations or planning, flooding working class areas with people putting pressure on school places, doctors surgeries,  housing, hospital places, council services etc.

 

Labour acted, people reacted by giving their votes to other parties.

 

When people raise concerns Labour grandees brand them as bigoted.

 

Labour working class areas vote to leave the EU and Labour dismiss their concerns yet again, putting Parliament into the paralysis that led to Thursday's election.

 

Jeremy Corbyn then chose to address the Brexit issue by ignoring it, burying his head in the sand by offering no clear policy.

 

It's an insult to the working class to blame 'media manipulation' for these areas who have been ignored, patronised and abandoned by Labour choosing to vote elsewhere.

Edited December 14, 2019 by BoroB

[melthebell]

19 minutes ago, BoroB said:

It's time for Labour to stop blaming others and take a long hard look at itself as to why voters in its heartlands are abandoning it.

 

It wasn't the media that opened the borders without any considerations or planning, flooding working class areas with people putting pressure on school places, doctors surgeries,  housing, hospital places, council services etc.

 

Labour acted, people reacted by giving their votes to other parties.

 

When people raise concerns Labour grandees brand them as bigoted.

 

Labour working class areas vote to leave the EU and Labour dismiss their concerns yet again, putting Parliament into the paralysis that led to Thursday's election.

 

Jeremy Corbyn then chose to address the Brexit issue by ignoring it, burying his head in the sand by offering no clear policy.

 

It's an insult to the working class to blame 'media manipulation' for these areas who have been ignored, patronised and abandoned by Labour choosing to vote elsewhere.

its not blaming others we KNOW brextremists were going to boycott labour in their blind obsession, BUT looking at the lies in the media and social media speaks for itself, its for all to see

Edited December 14, 2019 by melthebell

[BoroB]

10 minutes ago, melthebell said:

its not blaming others we KNOW brextremists were going to boycott labour in their blind obsession, BUT looking at the lies in the media and social media speaks for itself, its for all to see

'Blind Obsession'  for Labour not giving a monkeys for them and taking their vote for granted?

 

What is for all to see is that places who have never voted Tory in generations took a look at what Labour were offering and said no thank you.

[melthebell]

16 minutes ago, BoroB said:

'Blind Obsession'  for Labour not giving a monkeys for them and taking their vote for granted?

 

What is for all to see is that places who have never voted Tory in generations took a look at what Labour were offering and said no thank you.

thats not what happened though, a mixture of brexit and media manipulation, i doubt anybody barely even looked at wha they were offering

[carosio]

35 minutes ago, melthebell said:

its not blaming others we KNOW brextremists were going to boycott labour in their blind obsession, BUT looking at the lies in the media and social media speaks for itself, its for all to see

Given Labour’s obscurantist brexit policy over the past 3 years, leavers didn’t have much choice. In addition, if the claim that there are now more remainers than leavers is true , then Labour should have gained their votes.