The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Jim Hardie]

On 03/01/2020 at 15:03, alchresearch said:

Long Bailey (aka Wrong Daily) would be a disaster. She's a Corbyn apologist and has had some dreadful interviews where she was torn apart.

 

No need to worry, McCluskey and the brothers won't countenance a woman.

[hobinfoot]

1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

I don't think his predecessors have usually immediately resigned, but I am willing to be corrected

I agree a party leader should wait for his/her successor is in place. To be fair to Corbyn that’s what he said he would do.

Edited January 8, 2020 by hobinfoot

[banjodeano]

Just now, hobinfoot said:

I agree a party leader should wait for his(her successor is in place. To be fair to Corbyn that’s what he said he would do.

And this is not a normal situation, he will be stopping on to make sure fair play ensues, after all there is a power struggle between left and right, 

[hobinfoot]

1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

And this is not a normal situation, he will be stopping on to make sure fair play ensues, after all there is a power struggle between left and right, 

The left and right of the party have been at loggerheads for years. Has a none socialist I think Labour drifted to far this time but has a socialist you will disagree that’s ok and what democracy is.

[banjodeano]

28 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

The left and right of the party have been at loggerheads for years. Has a none socialist I think Labour drifted to far this time but has a socialist you will disagree that’s ok and what democracy is.

The loggerhead has never been like this before,  they challenged Corbyn for leadership and tried to even keep him off the ballot, lol..that is why he is still there keeping things fair

[hobinfoot]

1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

The loggerhead has never been like this before,  they challenged Corbyn for leadership and tried to even keep him off the ballot, lol..that is why he is still there keeping things fair

You are probably right. If the drift to the left had been more gradual under Corbyn people could have had time to absorbed the changes. Life long Labour voters who changed just couldn’t bring themselves to except how far to the left labour seemed to have gone.

[craigmason]

Looking at the 6 standing for the labour leadership

Keir starmer - pro brexit

Rebecca long daily or corbyn 2.0

Clive lewis 

Emily thornberry also known as lady nugee

Jess phillips  

Lisa nandy 

Out of these i would vote for lisa nandy

[Flanker7]

The change in the Labour Party is taking some getting used to.

Back in the 20th Century there was the working class who voted Labour because they were less well-off and the Labour Party offered a better way to progress. They elected working class MP's who were content to work in the Labour Party, accepting the leadership of the second group.

Then there was the ideological Socialists who had an intellectual belief in Socialism, were well educated and had enough savvy to know that to make changes first you had to win elections.  Harold Wilson , the Oxford Don, was typical of this type and the soft peddling on the subject of the Royal family was a pragmatic attitude to something that was going too far , at that time. These two groups grudgingly got along when in power and had nothing to do with each other when out of it. Those who couldn't accept the compromises joined one of the numerous small left wing splinter groups.

 

In the 21st Century the working class no longer exists as a distinct block, as we all work for a living on various different salaries. Some are left wing,  sophisticated enough to strive for the socialist dream and ideologically pure, they have welcomed some of the numerous small left wing splinter groups who have exacerbated the move to the left. Some are scared by the fearmongering press. Some are  reactionary and conservative with a small 'c' as they always had been, these types  are ripe for the plucking by the likes of UKIP, Breixit and New Tories (right-wing).

The second group, the intellectual Socialists, are much the same but fewer in number and unable to keep the uncontrollable ideologically pure working class on message. The election of Corbyn has pushed them into an equal role and has confronted them with a lurch to the left and powerful uncompromising  opponents, which they are not comfortable with. The SDP and the recent shedding of MP's to the Liberals are symptoms of this.

 

So where do the Labour Party go from here.

IMO the left wing need to trim their sails and work at uniting the party they now have a massive influence over.  Then win elections and accept a more gradual progress forward. The alternative is what we have had for the last 2 governments and goodness only knows what craziness the current government will heap on the country.

[sheffbag]

Interesting the reaction to Corbyn yesterday from his own troops during PMQ's - almost silence from them when he was challenging the PM

 

Mind you , would have been quality if Boris had said to JC after the first time he spoke - "you still here?"

[hobinfoot]

48 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

Interesting the reaction to Corbyn yesterday from his own troops during PMQ's - almost silence from them when he was challenging the PM

 

Mind you , would have been quality if Boris had said to JC after the first time he spoke - "you still here?"

I didn’t see PMQ but the problem with any leader That’s leaving is they will lose any authority and the party is in limbo until a new one is elected.

Edited January 9, 2020 by hobinfoot