The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Longcol]

7 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

yes, that would be why they are called the government, and the opposition opposes....thats cleared that up then, anything else to add?

Yes - what on earth does "a socialist government is a credible opposition" mean?

 

[Pettytom]

12 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

yes, that would be why they are called the government, and the opposition opposes....thats cleared that up then, anything else to add?

Which one of those two roles have labour filled for the last four parliaments?

[banjodeano]

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

Yes - what on earth does "a socialist government is a credible opposition" mean?

 

yeah yeah yeah....you knew what i meant,  anything else to offer??

[Longcol]

Just now, banjodeano said:

yeah yeah yeah....you knew what i meant,  anything else to offer??

That the opposition presented by Corbyn was ineffective and wasn't a credible alternative government to anything like a  majority of the electorate - and a continuity leader will condemn us to Tory government to 2029 at least.

[banjodeano]

Just now, Longcol said:

That the opposition presented by Corbyn was ineffective and wasn't a credible alternative government to anything like a  majority of the electorate - and a continuity leader will condemn us to Tory government to 2029 at least.

and that is where we differ Longcol, as i have said before,  i believe the policies on offer by Corbyn was popular to a lot of people, (take away the free internet nonsense), but the election became all about brexit, if the election had been fought solely on policies then i would agree with you entirely,  then the policies were put forward and not liked by the electorate, but the election wasnt a policy election

[hobinfoot]

1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

perhaps you may be right, but my heart tells me i should vote for someone with socialist principles,  i am not going to change what i believe in just so i can back a winner, if that was the case then the labour party should just adopt Tory principles and get elected at any price, not for me thanks

I admire your belief in socialism and how you are prepared to defend those beliefs. But to get a left leaning government sometimes you may have to bite your lip and back someone who will get you somewhere nearer to the socialist party/government you want. I’ve stated and believe on many occasions the average voter in the UK habits the centre ground of politics.

[Longcol]

9 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

and that is where we differ Longcol, as i have said before,  i believe the policies on offer by Corbyn was popular to a lot of people, (take away the free internet nonsense), but the election became all about brexit, if the election had been fought solely on policies then i would agree with you entirely,  then the policies were put forward and not liked by the electorate, but the election wasnt a policy election

Sufficient to have given Labour a majority if it wasn't for Brexit?

 

What is your reference group for "a lot of people"? All reports I read from a cross section of the press (and mainly the Grauniad and Independent) said the manifesto went down like a rat sandwich on the doorstep.

[banjodeano]

6 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

I admire your belief in socialism and how you are prepared to defend those beliefs. But to get a left leaning government sometimes you may have to bite your lip and back someone who will get you somewhere nearer to the socialist party/government you want. I’ve stated and believe on many occasions the average voter in the UK habits the centre ground of politics.

i fully understand where you are coming from, and i agree with your point to some degree, 

[Pettytom]

7 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

I admire your belief in socialism and how you are prepared to defend those beliefs. But to get a left leaning government sometimes you may have to bite your lip and back someone who will get you somewhere nearer to the socialist party/government you want. I’ve stated and believe on many occasions the average voter in the UK habits the centre ground of politics.

Indeed.

 

I’ve never understood why the hard left prefer Tory government  to centre left government . That’s the reality of the effect of the momentum project ( and Millitant, before them).

[Fudbeer]

4 hours ago, alchresearch said:

New Tory voters think Labour left them, not the other way around

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-tory-voters-think-labour-left-them-not-the-other-way-around-f0j5r7w6p

 

Wow that 74% poll sums up the situation perfectly.They really need to take note (but it looks like they are not)