Ukip. All discussion here please.

[mjw47]

Oh.. I thought you were suggesting that because we may have had a war with someone 200 years ago they might not want to trade with us now..it certainly looked as that was your point..

 

No I was simply trying to make the point that any export sales would be achieved for straight forward hard nosed reasons.

 

There are some people who appear to think that the rest of the world is hugely impressed with us, that isn't so, we are little different to many other countries and any dealings with us will be on a need basis.

 

There are things we excel at obviously, and those things will all ways be easier to sell, but mostly we are in straight competition with others for trade.

[retep]

And you don't appear to have any experience with regard to sales and how it works.

 

Exports have to be sold to the importer, correct?

 

The buyer needs a reason to purchase the particular product from you rather than continue to trade with his/her existing supplier.

 

The reasons can include superior product, or cost, or both but no one changes their current supplier without a very good reason.

 

The main reason that people change is when they are let down in some way.

Those opportunities do not occur on a frequent basis and we wouldn't be on our own in trying to take advantage.

 

Someone has to take responsibility for the decision to change, and if there isn't a problem why would you risk taking on an unknown quantity? If there was no problem and then one occurs with the new supplier the buyers decision maker gets the blame.

 

The idea that we could just swap one set of customers for another is naive.

 

Why are you waffling?

[Frederick1]

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/themes/5308a93901925b5b09000002/attachments/original/1398869254/EuroManifestoLaunch.pdf?1398869254

 

Sorry Swami - that is the EURO Manifesto published earlier this year.

The General Election one isn't out yet.

[mjw47]

Why are you waffling?

 

Why don't you stop quoting and passing comment on my posts then?

[L00b]

Why are you waffling?

That's a bit rich and strong, coming from someone who does not understand the difference between importing and exporting

 

As the deficit in trade appears to be £5 billion a month in favour of the EU, what does that suggest to you with regard to who needs whom the most?

It suggests you haven't read it right we import 5 billion more from them than we export to them.

 

"The UK remains a net importer this month, with imports exceeding exports by £5.2 billion. "

[retep]

That's a bit rich and strong, coming from someone who does not understand the difference between importing and exporting

 

So who do you suggest needs who more?

[Doom]

The EU’s demands for UK taxpayers to cough up an additional £1.7bn is ‘outrageous’ and the leadership of the Conservative Party is in ‘complete disarray’ according to UKIP’s EU budget spokesman, Jonathan Arnott MEP.

 

EU Chiefs plan to charge an additional £1.7 billion from UK taxpayers on the back of the UK’s better than expected economic performance in recent years.

 

Meanwhile, Syed Kamall, leader of the Conservatives' MEPs, admitted this morning that Treasury officials may have known about the EU’s new demands a week ago.

 

Since then, Cameron told his MEPs to vote in favour of the EU’s new unelected commission, their whips overruled him and said to abstain, whilst still more MEPs voted against.

 

Arnott said "This farce would be as big a comedy of errors as Ed Miliband's Party Conference speech if it weren't so serious. Cameron broke his promise on the Lisbon Treaty, his much-trumpeted 'budget cut' was actually just a below-inflation rise, he failed to stop Juncker becoming Commission President and his EU 'renegotiation' hasn't removed a single stroke of a pen from a single EU law. Now hard-pressed British taxpayers are being expected to cough up yet another pile of cash that we can't afford. Cameron is out-manoeuvred at every stage by the European Union, and it's our taxes that foot the bill”.

 

Eurocrats have recalculated national payments to the EU based on economic performance since 1995. Whilst the UK pays money to the EU, Germany and France are due to receive nearly £1.6bn between them.

 

It would add about a fifth to the UK's annual net contribution of £8.6bn.

 

“It's Alice in Wonderland stuff", Jonathan Arnott continued.

 

"Our 'economic recovery' is invisible in the North, yet we're supposed to send cash to France. And Greece and Italy, in economic meltdown, are being expected to subsidise Germany. And these figures, backdated to 1995, are based on the EU's estimate of illegal activities like drug dealing, which never gave the Exchequer a penny piece. The phrase 'you couldn't make it up' has never been more apt."

 

Regards

 

Doom

[L00b]

So who do you suggest needs who more?

I don't need to suggest anything, the numbers speak louder than words ever could: the UK needs £5bn's worth of EU goods and services more than the EU needs goods and services from the UK.

 

Anything beyond the above (which is simply bare facts) is hypothesis and conjecture - and mine is that the UK would most likely still be buying £5bn's worth of EU goods and services more than the EU buys off the UK, whether within the EU or not.

 

Lest you manage to weed execs and directors the length and breadth of the UK off Beemers and Audis, and 2.4 families off VW/Seat/Skoda identicars, not to forget Hyundais and other Eastern Europe (EU)-made 'Korean' cars, of course. That should help the number a bit, especially after No.11 starts raising luxury goods-rated VAT (or equivalent - grab your tax history book ) on them

Edited October 24, 2014 by L00b

[retep]

I don't need to suggest anything, the numbers speak louder than words ever could: the UK needs £5bn's worth of EU goods and services more than the EU needs goods and services from the UK.

 

Anything beyond the above (which is simply bare facts) is hypothesis and conjecture - and mine is that the UK would most likely still be buying £5bn's worth of EU goods and services more than the EU buys off the UK, whether within the EU or not.

 

Lest you manage to weed execs and directors the length and breadth of the UK off Beemers and Audis, and 2.4 families off VW/Seat/Skoda identicars, not to forget Hyundais and other Eastern Europe (EU)-made 'Korean' cars, of course. That should help the number a bit, especially after No.11 starts raising luxury goods-rated VAT (or equivalent - grab your tax history book ) on them

 

No the UK buys 5 bn more goods from the EU, as to if it needs to is conjecture on your behalf.

[L00b]

No the UK buys 5 bn more goods from the EU,

Thank you for vindicating my earlier post so eloquently.

as to if it needs to is conjecture on your behalf.

and can I have that in English please? (or French or German, your choice)